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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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now it's kind of interesting after last

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week's shop talk session shop talk 2015

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i noticed maybe one or two comments on

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our forums at forum.powercast.com

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where are they

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i think we're

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commenting over the fact that we seemed

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so down on everything in paranormal

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research

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especially during the first half of the

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show but you know this is not sweetness

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and light folks this is serious business

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serious things are going on

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serious things are happening to people

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and rather than wonder about how the

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space brothers will save us from

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ourselves which is certainly not

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happening we need to figure out the

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impact

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and sometimes the implications are wide

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it takes us into the political world

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into the world of the military you know

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it's not something that's just exclusive

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ghosts

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or ufos from outer space or something

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like that it's a lot more complicated

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well i'll say i was a little dismayed at

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the uh a couple of comments that were

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made about my

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me coming across like i was really

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getting down on valet valet is one of my

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all-time heroes in the field and uh i

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have nothing but

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immense respect for the man and his

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60 years of work in the field i think

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it's he's a true pioneer and he's

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you know one of the most creative

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thinkers that have ever applied

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you know i just made the comment that i

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felt that concentrating

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what little time he has left on

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information uh data

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uh i think is is uh his time in my

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opinion could be spent uh better spent

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uh attempting to gain

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hard data hard data hard scientific data

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for current uh cases the comment made

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that i'm all i'm interested in is is

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lights in the sky is is so ludicrous

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the best possible scenario obviously is

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to get triangulated footage of a

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daylight event and

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to also have magnetometer and

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gravitometer uh data as well

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a blaze grating would be helpful on a

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telescope for nighttime

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sightings but you know our focus is

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going to be on on gaining

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daylight footage and triangulating that

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i have a pretty good uh interesting bit

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of news here we have a team that's been

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working on the on the software

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modifications for the detect on motion

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uh record on motion software uh it's

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been quite complicated to go ahead and

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and customize

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that particular software but we have a

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team in italy that's been hired to

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do exactly that and they are

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right at the point now where they're

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finishing up these modifications so that

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we'll be able to get them integrated

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into the system i will be going up to

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the san luis valley uh in the beginning

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of may and uh hope to have some some

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good news

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for everyone about that visit it's kind

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of bittersweet we're going up to scatter

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my brother's ashes uh as per his wish uh

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to do that up in the valley

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at the same time i'm going to be

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speaking at adam state university but i

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have a couple of days to devote to the

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project and um i have uh some other good

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news too we um i did receive two fairly

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sizable donations for the camera project

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which i'm i'm very uh grateful for

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this is going to help us uh

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pay for bandwidth so that we don't have

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to rely on the uh people doing us a

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favor or giving us something for free

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now that we have a

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small budget we're going to

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use that to sweeten the pot for an isp

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to get involved and supply us with the

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you know the necessary bandwidth that we

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need in order for this uh project to go

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ahead and have these cameras be able to

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function properly

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if someone wants to offer

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a donation or wants more information

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just i think the easiest thing to do is

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go to chris's site

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ourstrangeplanet.com

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and there's a donation

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link there that you can send a donation

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to chris and he'll allocate it towards

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the funding there or click the contact

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link it send him a message about what

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you're willing to offer and let's go

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from there are you going to still do

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that gofundme campaign you know that's

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that's another thing i i have uh two

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other uh nice uh bits of news i i had an

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offer from someone that has some

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experience with fundraising to uh to

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help out and also we have someone that

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part of the valley up there uh the main

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town in the valley and uh they've

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offered to allow us to use

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some of their acreage however much we

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need as a location for one of the camera

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sites uh we were

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you know a southern leg of our initial

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uh triangular

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array so this is also very good news

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you know things have been moving forward

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in fits and starts and

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you know i really want to thank uh

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stephan and debmar for their their kind

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donations and and it's it's it's that

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kind of of interest and that kind of of

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dedication to the vision that is really

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going to help this thing move forward

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and i'm really grateful

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always good news by the way we have good

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news for a couple of our listeners and

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they use the forum names kanekaris

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and believe it or not jean-luc picard

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and they made a good case for getting

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one-year memberships if you want to get

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in on the action we have this other

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cast and last week the episode of after

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the power cast was the continuation

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of our shop talk episode we went on for

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another half hour or so with burnt state

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a lot of the comments that started

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be really fascinating fascinating

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discussions of course always go on in

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forum.theparacast.com that's of course

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where we have the opportunity for you to

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randle who'll be with us in a few

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but also to talk about anything and

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it's uh it's sometimes it just boggles

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these uh subjects and uh opinions and

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roswell slides and therein lies a tale

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by the way and he has

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just google a different perspective

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and some people you know from the forums

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in responding to his comments he has a

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of some of these other people like david

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that were not borne out by their actual

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discharge papers which they will not

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produce by the way

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you know so i'm going to ask also kevin

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about that why we have these so-called

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fake their military credentials

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you know are their egos

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so shattered in real life and that's all

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kevin randle coming up with gene and

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first came attack of the rockoids and it

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was a critically acclaimed success and

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now there is the coming of the

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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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her distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth this is gripping

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science fiction of the classic kind

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attack of the rockoids and the coming of

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the protectors find out more at

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rockoaids.com that's rockoids

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r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s dot com so here's what

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it returned but i'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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joining us once again one of our

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favorite guests on the power cast

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somebody who has really done

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years and years of solid research in the

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ufo mystery and he's a no-nonsense kind

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of guy kevin randle welcome back on the

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power cast well thank you very much glad

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to be on the power cast paracast

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hey people do that you know tim beckley

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kept calling us power cast for about

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five years i think

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well i i've got an excuse i've been sick

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oh i'm sorry to hear that what can you

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mention what's wrong or

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i just some problems with old age i

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guess gotten better now

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yes i worry about that as i start

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feeling my back

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suffering under the pain you know you

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know i make this show up a couple of old

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codgers talking about their aches and

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pains and

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you know

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that makes us even older

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comparing our melodies

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comparing to this young whippersnapper

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boy i sure don't feel young

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not after this last month boy it's been

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a real doozer

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kevin i want to ask you one thing

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because of the fact that you have this

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solid military background we've come

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across people in the ufo field and

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paranormal research in general and i can

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name a couple but i'm not going to

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bother who fake their military

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credentials they don't have the

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discharge papers they don't have

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anything they want to tell you they were

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heroes in vietnam and elsewhere

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why do we have these things is it ego or

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what i think a lot of it is eagle i

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was stunned to learn a number of years

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ago

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there's like 2.5 million vietnam

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veterans and in the 1990 census one of

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the questions on the census was are you

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a vietnam veteran 13 million people said

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yes 10 million people were lying about

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it

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form

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it's astounding

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i know that a lot of

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people who avoided the vietnam war now

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want to claim that they were

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participants in it because

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the attitude of people towards military

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has changed and i think that if you

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claim a military background

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then you have sort of instant

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credibility and i think that's part of

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it as well so part of it's ego part of

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it is the credibility it brings to us

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and i've run into guys who

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were in vietnam and they lie about what

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they did there i think just enough it's

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enough to say you're a vietnam veteran

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and now i feel that any time i go out

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and say well you know i was in vietnam

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people are wondering if i'm lying about

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it but if anybody wants to get my

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records from st louis they will find out

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i did in fact serve in vietnam

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when i've said something about my

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military background it's all backed up

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by the documentation if people tell you

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that they've

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they served in vietnam but their records

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are classified and it's a secret and

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they can't tell you what they did

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that might be true but the records are

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going to reflect service in vietnam the

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records are going to reflect the

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training that they would have had to go

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through all of that's going to be in the

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records and that's not classified

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sometimes there's classified missions

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some guys were awarded decorations for

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participation in the classified missions

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and while the details are classified the

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declaration itself is not so it would be

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recorded in the records so i don't get

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it

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robert french

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who is a retired air force lieutenant

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colonel

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and i mean he had an impressive military

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career

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but he had to lie about it

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to i guess place himself into the

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roswell arena now robert french tell our

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listeners who he is or was robert french

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claimed that he had

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come across some of the roswell stuff

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while he was engaged in some other

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activities and he talked about

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what he had seen and what he knew it he

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was one of the few people to see this

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amj12 document not one of the but a

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different mj12 document claimed to be

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about have been a member of project blue

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book and uh he actually helped write the

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blue book and i'm thinking if anybody

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should know what blue book was it was a

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guy who served with it should know that

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there wasn't a blue book it was in fact

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the name of the investigation

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but he had an an impressive military

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career he was awarded a silver star and

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wanted to distinguish flying cross uh he

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did serve in vietnam

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i think at least one time but he claimed

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he claimed well he had been uh had flown

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in korea but he went to flight school in

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1954. he did serve in korea but he

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wasn't a pilot at the time so i mean he

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just sort of massaged his record for

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some

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unknown bizarre reason but when you when

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you sit down to it in the stories he

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begins to tell about his ufo experiences

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with the military then you have to kind

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of question what's going on because you

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see these other problems so we run into

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that all the time i mean here's a guy

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with a with a very nice military record

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and he had to kind of spoil everything

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by making up

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additional things about it

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you wonder about people i claim no

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military record you know i i claim a

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military record i served in vietnam i

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served in iraq and if you write to

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saint louis to get my record you'll find

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out that's the truth

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that's interesting here explain to our

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listeners how to do that basically your

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military record unless there's something

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classified about it which may reflect a

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certain portion of it but otherwise your

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military record is publicly available

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parts of it are the privacy act of 1974

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changed the situation and then with all

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the identity theft going on it's changed

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the situation even more but if you write

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to st louis the

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national archives in st louis and that's

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where all the military records are

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stored if you served in the military and

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you're you retired you're left the

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military you've been discharged whatever

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the records are shipped to st louis and

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you can write there and if you've got

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the guy's name and it helps if they have

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a serial number and a birthday but i've

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actually gotten records by saying oh

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here's here's the guy's name here's what

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i know about when he served what can you

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tell me about this guy you can find out

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what their assignments were you can find

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out what awards and decorations are

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you'd find out whether they were

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honorably discharged you can find out

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whether they served in a combat zone or

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not oftentimes what their assignments

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were and what their military schools

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were so you can learn a great deal about

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them and you can find out whether or not

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these guys are lying about their

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military background and i shouldn't say

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these guys because women are doing it

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too that information is all available

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and it becomes more and more limited as

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time goes by simply because

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they're attempting to protect the the

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service members or former service

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members from from identity theft and all

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of that because they used to give you an

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awful lot more information than they do

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now

557
00:21:01,430 --> 00:21:00,400
but they'll verify the military

558
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,440
background

559
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,760
i think if you write and ask for my air

560
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,080
force records you end up with me being

561
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,159
just the first lieutenant but if you

562
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,360
write to get my army record then you

563
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,840
find i was promoted into field grade so

564
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,120
there are some problems with that you

565
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,559
have to be aware of those sorts of

566
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,159
things sometimes not everything is

567
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,159
transcribed on the records properly

568
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,840
sometimes there's gaps in it so you have

569
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:24,080
to be careful before you start accusing

570
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,600
some people of lying about their

571
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,679
military background but i mean there are

572
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:29,440
other ways of verifying it i've got the

573
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,280
dd form 214 i've got a huge basically a

574
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:35,600
file drawer full of all kinds of

575
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,360
military records including copies of uh

576
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,760
travel vouchers that i've had this i had

577
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,600
to put together i've got my flight

578
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,159
records from vietnam i've just got all

579
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,240
kinds of records so if anybody wanted to

580
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,320
challenge it i've got the documentation

581
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,520
to prove it

582
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,039
other people say well

583
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,520
you've lost the documentation this guy

584
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,000
named robert willingham who claimed that

585
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:00,880
he had seen a ufo crash in well either

586
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,480
1948 or 1950 or 1954 depending on the

587
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,240
time of the year he's telling the story

588
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,159
and he was the only guy there and he was

589
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,159
an air force fighter pilot he did all

590
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,880
this crap in korea and i wrote to get

591
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,559
his records and find out found out that

592
00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:17,760
he had been in the army from december of

593
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:19,880
1945 to january of

594
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1947 which is what 13 about 13 months

595
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,159
he's technically technically a veteran

596
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,600
of world war ii because the war wasn't

597
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declared officially over until the

598
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middle of 1946 so anybody who had served

599
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even after the japanese had surrendered

600
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prior to the middle of 1946 is

601
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considered a veteran of world war ii

602
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let's do the break here and then we'll

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by 100 commercial building for 129 000.

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you can't afford to rent with these

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prices imagine a 70 by 100 foot church

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building for under 69 000

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hi this is don ecker and you are tuned

699
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in to the paracast let me tell you what

700
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,600
you're going to hear stuff here that you

701
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,880
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

702
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,279
that george snorri

703
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,720
we have kevin randall with gina and

704
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,559
chris and the power cast

705
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,559
and we were basically joking about the

706
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,559
fact before we started with this segment

707
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,279
of the fact that one episode using some

708
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,760
new software for some reason my part of

709
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,559
the conversation humble as it is

710
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,520
was not recorded now you were telling me

711
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:36,320
kevin randle before we broke

712
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,279
about

713
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:38,880
someone who was

714
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:42,080
claiming extra military credentials

715
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,279
because of his involvement his

716
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,039
involvement with the ufo case would you

717
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,360
continue well it was robert willingham

718
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:49,120
who claimed that he was a retired

719
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,480
lieutenant colonel

720
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,320
a retired fighter pilot

721
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:53,919
and his first version of the story which

722
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,960
i actually found finally in sky look

723
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,880
magazine which was a precursor to the

724
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,880
new fun ufo journal but it's a sky look

725
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,520
for march of 1968 the paragraph is on

726
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,640
page three

727
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,320
we claimed that he'd seen he'd been

728
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,399
involved in in some kind of a military

729
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,159
operation a training operation and

730
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,919
they'd seen a ufo crash just over the

731
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,440
border in mexico

732
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,919
and he'd landed at his base dyess air

733
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,480
force base and then had gone in a

734
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,720
private plane down there and landed and

735
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,720
the mexicans chased him away but he saw

736
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,080
the crash and he got a piece of metal

737
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,240
and all this but his story hung on the

738
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,080
point that he was a fighter pilot

739
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,760
he said that he had been uh badly

740
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,520
injured in korea

741
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,320
um and so he had left the active duty

742
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,320
air force to fly in the reserve because

743
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,080
they wouldn't let him fly in the active

744
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,360
duty forces anymore because of the

745
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,679
injury and i knew a number of air force

746
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,120
fighter pilots so i asked him about that

747
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,720
because that's not true the problem is

748
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,240
the ejection

749
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:48,000
if you have injured your back or you

750
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,279
have some injury and it would be

751
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,720
exasperated exacerbated by

752
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,200
by ejection then you're taken out of the

753
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,799
flight profile that puts you into an

754
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,399
ejection seat so he could fly by some of

755
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,159
the bombers he could fly

756
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,520
cargo plane so it wasn't removed from

757
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,360
the cockpit so his story was utterly

758
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,600
ridiculous i wrote and got his record

759
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,840
from st louis and discovered that he had

760
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,520
13 months of

761
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,240
of military service he presented some

762
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,840
documentation you can see that they've

763
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,279
been altered

764
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:17,120
that he'd changed them

765
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:18,320
he actually

766
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,600
had been a member of the civil air

767
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,440
patrol for a long time

768
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,520
civil air patrol is the civilian

769
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,279
auxiliary of the air force and it

770
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,520
performs some very valuable

771
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,120
services the civil air patrol does in

772
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,039
search and rescue and things like that

773
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,720
and he's got he's got records for that

774
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,960
but he tried to convert it to air force

775
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,559
reserve so he could get some kind of a

776
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,679
pension

777
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,440
actually involved his congressional

778
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,799
representatives in that and they

779
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,399
couldn't get anywhere on it and he said

780
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,760
well it's because i was involved in this

781
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,600
ufo crash you know it's because you made

782
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,799
the thing up

783
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:48,080
and if you look at the records you can

784
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,279
see you made them up so there's people

785
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:52,240
that do that sort of thing and

786
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,120
um

787
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,399
and it and it hurts ufo research but it

788
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,720
it also hurts the veterans because it

789
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,520
makes

790
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,840
people question the veterans when they

791
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,919
say something you know i did this they

792
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,279
say well maybe he's just another one of

793
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,679
these guys making this stuff up and like

794
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,039
i said with the with the vietnam

795
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,279
veterans the majority of people claiming

796
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,200
vietnam service probably couldn't find a

797
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,640
place on a map

798
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,240
let's move into some other subjects

799
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:18,799
since we touched briefly upon roswell

800
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,520
now so sometime back we had talked you

801
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:23,760
and i about this

802
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,360
so-called roswell dream team to kind of

803
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,640
look at the case and see if they can

804
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,080
come up with more evidence whatever

805
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,080
happened to that

806
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,320
well part of the problem is

807
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,720
that um

808
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,640
the ultimate purpose was to write the

809
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,919
ultimate

810
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:41,520
roswell book

811
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,480
by by reinvestigating the case

812
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,559
carefully looking at it as a cold case

813
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,080
now and going back through the records

814
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,240
and seeing what we could find out what

815
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:51,840
we could learn what we might have missed

816
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,039
what should be going which should go on

817
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,830
we sort of drifted apart simply because

818
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,600
their investigation went in one

819
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,080
direction and we couldn't get things

820
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,880
organized the way we wanted to so i i

821
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,880
dropped out of a team

822
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,880
two years ago i think because it just

823
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,760
wasn't

824
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,080
doing what it was supposed to do and and

825
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,600
part of the problem was what i was doing

826
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:19,279
but part of the problem was that don and

827
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,240
tom

828
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,080
were involved in something else some

829
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,919
other investigation and that kind of

830
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:26,399
distracted them from from our ultimate

831
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,760
purpose so

832
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,240
um they continued on with their work and

833
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,600
i've gone in my own direction on my work

834
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:36,480
all right so is part of that this story

835
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,919
about the alleged roswell slides

836
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,840
yes

837
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:43,519
to put it succinctly

838
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,320
uh

839
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,519
although i i just saw or heard or read

840
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,519
uh something over the last couple of

841
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,159
days that uh the term roswell slides is

842
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,919
a debunking term

843
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,919
used by the debunkers to belittle the

844
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:57,360
idea of the slides and they're really

845
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,919
not connected to roswell specifically it

846
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:01,919
might be some other crash or some other

847
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,159
aliens although when you listen to don

848
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,320
and tom talk during this interview it's

849
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,840
clear that they believe they're related

850
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,320
directly to roswell even though they

851
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,919
say that the

852
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,679
roswell slides is a bad term for it but

853
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,320
yes it has to do with the roswell slides

854
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:18,240
okay this is tom carey and donald

855
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,200
schmidt

856
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,600
who are involved in roswell slides

857
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,640
now

858
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,720
we've had active discussions in our

859
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,720
forums katherine has had extremely

860
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,360
active discussions over at his blog a

861
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:31,200
different perspective

862
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,240
now

863
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,960
can you in 2000 words or less or

864
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,080
whatever

865
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,559
explain to our listeners

866
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,000
what this roswell slides thing is how do

867
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,559
they get started

868
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,960
according to what don and tom have said

869
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,600
and what i've been able to deduce from

870
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:51,679
what they've said

871
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,880
a woman was cleaning out a house

872
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,039
in arizona

873
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,159
uh for apparently an estate sale and as

874
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,840
she was going through the materials they

875
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,320
found she found this box of slides

876
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,960
400 some odd slides and she looked at a

877
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,240
couple of them and thought that they

878
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,240
might be interesting so rather than

879
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,399
throw the box away she kept it took it

880
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,279
home

881
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,880
did not look at it for a while and one

882
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,799
day a couple of years later she's

883
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,240
looking at it this kind of makes no

884
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,519
sense to me because i'm thinking if i've

885
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,760
taken a box of slides home because i

886
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,120
think they're interesting i'm going to

887
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,799
look at them right away

888
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,720
but she sat on the slides for a couple

889
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:29,120
of years and inside the lid of the box

890
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,640
there was an envelope tape with these

891
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,039
two slides in it and when she looked at

892
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:35,919
them it kind of creeped her out

893
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,760
so she sent those off to a relative

894
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,760
i believe it was her brother

895
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,600
and he looked at them

896
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:46,080
eventually looked at him

897
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,600
she was cleaning out the house i think

898
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:49,919
in 1990 she sent the flies to her

899
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,840
brother in

900
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
1998 uh he finally looked at him around

901
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,840
2000 and he thought

902
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,000
he said well he's not a ufo guy but he

903
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,919
looked around the internet

904
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,000
for stuff on roswell and he got in

905
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:04,080
contact with tom carey and sent him the

906
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,440
slides

907
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,640
uh

908
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,359
early in night in 2012 it might have

909
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,839
been i think

910
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,359
so

911
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,040
they looked at the slides they tried to

912
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:16,879
deduce what they might show they've

913
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,000
looked at all kinds of possibilities and

914
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,879
they concluded given the

915
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,720
sleeve the slides were in the the

916
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,560
cardboard sleeves that they're mounted

917
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:27,359
in

918
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,000
to 1949

919
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,079
and they said the film was manufactured

920
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,560
in 1947 though i'm not sure exactly how

921
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:38,240
they they got to that because that

922
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,359
hasn't been

923
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,599
precisely explained

924
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,159
but because of that they the slides are

925
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,720
connected to roswell it shows a

926
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,440
apparently a being of three and a half

927
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:51,280
to four feet tall the head is separated

928
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,639
from the body the body is doesn't look

929
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,960
it's humanoid as opposed to human if

930
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,280
there's four fingers instead of

931
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,200
five that like we have

932
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,560
em ahead is more pear-shaped than than

933
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,440
anything so they they have

934
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,680
concluded that this might be an alien

935
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,359
creature

936
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,440
i do not understand why

937
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:15,920
somebody who was given two slides would

938
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,200
deduce that it's alien and contact

939
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,000
uh roswell researchers the chain of

940
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,160
custody is broken

941
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,400
because there's gaps of where the slides

942
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,400
might have been there is no provenance

943
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:30,079
form because we don't know really who

944
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:31,520
took the slide

945
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,680
slides in the box it's

946
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,280
hilta ray

947
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,599
and bernard ray

948
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,440
but we don't know if they took those

949
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,680
specific slides

950
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,440
so there's all kinds of problems with

951
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:46,160
the

952
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,560
autopsy which didn't turn out real well

953
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,079
but they've been sitting on these things

954
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,760
for a number of years they've supposedly

955
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,520
shown them to

956
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,839
experts in various fields tom was

957
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,760
talking about they had two canadian

958
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,359
anthropologists

959
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,880
who said well we don't know what they

960
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,240
show

961
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,520
but

962
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,800
they couldn't get any american

963
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,400
scientists to look at him or america

964
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,880
news media interested in it

965
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,599
and and i kind of understand that given

966
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the history of the the ufo phenomena in

967
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this country

968
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but they

969
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claim that in may 5th they're going to

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reveal all that they know and everything

971
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,430
out there for

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display so we can see exactly how they

973
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arrived at the points they have arrived

974
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at

975
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let's go into more of this roswell

976
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,280
slides

977
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:41,280
kevin randall is our guest with gina and

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kevin randle about the roswell slides

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now

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a lot of the stuff to me kevin and chris

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i think agrees with most of this

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a lot of this seems a stretch you're

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stretching

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a lot of things to possibly indicate a

1093
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point and one is of course you're seeing

1094
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something that looks like it may be an

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alien creature

1096
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but how do you know from a photograph

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whether it's a living creature or not

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something that a hollywood studio mocked

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up

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i i think the theory on that and

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remember i'm just i am speculating on

1102
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what their theories are i have only seen

1103
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the really crappy

1104
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slides that that somebody cop captured

1105
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from a screen

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a screen capture off off a documentary

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or a

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preview of a documentary about this

1109
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,079
but

1110
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,359
i think what they looked at was

1111
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,440
hollywood was not looking at aliens in

1112
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,200
this way in

1113
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,480
the late 1940s if you look at

1114
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,920
what they were doing in the science

1115
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,119
fiction movies and all of that in the

1116
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,520
late 1940s the aliens didn't look

1117
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,280
anything like this

1118
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,599
i think that point could be argued but

1119
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,960
especially when you look at the coverage

1120
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,400
of some of the science fiction magazines

1121
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,440
were out in the late 30s and every 40s

1122
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,200
but it's

1123
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,280
they've got a good

1124
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,440
high definition slide

1125
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,720
and they were unable to match it to

1126
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,200
anything that hollywood might have done

1127
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,599
they say it's not a mummy

1128
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,040
which

1129
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,800
they've looked at hundreds of pictures

1130
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,319
of mummies

1131
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,880
so they're they're convinced that by

1132
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,000
looking at the picture and eliminating

1133
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:14,960
what it uh what it isn't they they

1134
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,839
eventually arrive at it being alien i'm

1135
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,599
not sure that the logic follows

1136
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,359
precisely on that

1137
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,359
but that's kind of the argument they're

1138
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,040
making we've looked at everything we've

1139
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,640
tried to identify it we've been unable

1140
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,000
to do for it

1141
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:30,560
therefore it is alien

1142
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,520
chris

1143
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,839
yeah one thing that kevin that i've been

1144
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:36,000
wondering about and has been mentioned

1145
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,640
uh by several people at uh at your blog

1146
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,280
is the actual uh setting

1147
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,079
that appears in the slides or that you

1148
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:48,720
know we can assume uh appears in the

1149
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:52,240
slides based on as you mentioned

1150
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:53,359
not a very

1151
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,040
well um put together quality wise uh

1152
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,960
version of the slides from that screen

1153
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,000
capture

1154
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,800
but it just doesn't make sense to me

1155
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,960
that something that could be the most

1156
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,920
you know

1157
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,640
arguably the most historic find of

1158
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,359
in all human history would be displayed

1159
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:14,240
on a simple blanket under a glass case

1160
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,599
uh

1161
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,680
it just doesn't it it just doesn't make

1162
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,400
sense to me something uh as as important

1163
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,560
as that and and being

1164
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,000
biological in nature you would think

1165
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,520
would be in some sort of hermetically

1166
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:27,200
sealed container

1167
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,030
in the display for instance

1168
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,160
that part of it uh just alone to me just

1169
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,920
i don't know it just doesn't add up and

1170
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,720
and

1171
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,240
what are your thoughts about that i mean

1172
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,280
wouldn't you

1173
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,640
think that something like that would be

1174
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,280
uh would be kept in a more um

1175
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:49,440
hermetically sealed or pristine

1176
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,560
environment

1177
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,920
let's run with that just a little bit

1178
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,040
further

1179
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,560
how would these two people who lived in

1180
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,319
midland texas

1181
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,839
be allowed to photograph something like

1182
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,440
this how did they get to the point where

1183
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,800
they could actually take the photograph

1184
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,200
if in fact they took the photographs

1185
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,720
i can think of no scenario where they

1186
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,760
would see it

1187
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,520
they've attempted to link them to the

1188
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,839
eisenhower's because there's pictures of

1189
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,680
eisenhower in

1190
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,560
this box of slides and i'm thinking you

1191
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:16,079
could link me to david letterman because

1192
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:17,520
i got pictures of me with david

1193
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,640
letterman in iraq that doesn't mean that

1194
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,560
we are in close communication and that

1195
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,640
he's going to invite me on his show at

1196
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,440
any time before before he retires

1197
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,319
uh so you know i don't know how these

1198
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,760
people would have got in to photograph

1199
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,359
it if in fact they were the ones who

1200
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,200
photographed it if they didn't we don't

1201
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,040
know who took the photographs therefore

1202
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,280
we don't know how they got in to take it

1203
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:41,680
the display seems to be more like you

1204
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,670
recover the mummy and and i think

1205
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,760
peruvian mummies are the ones that have

1206
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,400
been pointed to most most frequently

1207
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,560
but if it was an anthropological or an

1208
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:56,079
archaeological

1209
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,040
um

1210
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,640
recovery of something like that then you

1211
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,960
might have the thing

1212
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,280
laying on an army blanket in

1213
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,119
behind a glass case because it is in

1214
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:08,000
fact just a mummy not an alien creature

1215
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,119
um

1216
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,000
i'm not sure exactly

1217
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,839
what

1218
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,000
the prehistoric peoples

1219
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,680
in the southwest might have done with

1220
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:19,440
with their

1221
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,040
mummification went on but i know in that

1222
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,280
dry environment that things are

1223
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,359
mummified by accident if you will or by

1224
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,800
nature so it could be something that was

1225
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,960
recovered in the southwest

1226
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,280
uh like that

1227
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,160
so you know there are all these problems

1228
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,560
with it and and that display is one of

1229
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,119
the problems it looks from from the the

1230
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,280
screen capture that we have if it's

1231
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,960
laying it's laying on some kind of a

1232
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,480
shelving unit

1233
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,400
like you would see like you see in the

1234
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,920
the back rooms of an awful lot of

1235
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,200
museums

1236
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,200
um where they where they

1237
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:54,800
the things that are not on exhibit are

1238
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,000
kept organized so there's all kinds of

1239
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,480
problems with that i know tom said at

1240
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,640
one point you can tell it's on a green

1241
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:04,319
army blanket i'm not sure how you can

1242
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,520
tell that

1243
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,440
from a slide that it's an army blanket

1244
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,520
other than the army blankets were pretty

1245
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,599
crappy and they're green colored

1246
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,520
but we haven't seen

1247
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,040
the the actual good quality slides that

1248
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,880
might reveal some of that information to

1249
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,680
us and we won't see that until until may

1250
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,720
5th

1251
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,240
and that might answer some of our

1252
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,000
questions about it but it also might

1253
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,160
reveal exactly what it is because you'll

1254
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,680
have everybody and his brother on the

1255
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,640
internet

1256
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,800
trying to find a picture of a mummy that

1257
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,319
matches this more or less and i think

1258
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:36,160
that some have come very close even with

1259
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:36,960
the

1260
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,599
we've got a real

1261
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,000
a lot of real problems like that and

1262
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,240
like i mean we start with the lack of

1263
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,240
providence who took the pictures well it

1264
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,440
might have been these people but it

1265
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,800
might not

1266
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:54,000
um how did they get from

1267
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:54,800
the

1268
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:58,880
to this guy

1269
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,560
holding them

1270
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,359
in chicago how do we get to that point

1271
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,839
so there's a lot of

1272
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,160
that we do not have answers for and

1273
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:10,800
we're prob promised answers for but but

1274
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,480
in my communications before i guess i i

1275
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,680
pissed off don and tom

1276
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,680
it was pretty clear that they really

1277
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:22,000
don't have a good provenance for him

1278
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,200
and that's going to be that's going to

1279
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:25,200
be the real bugaboo in the beginning you

1280
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,319
cannot

1281
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,000
say this person took the pictures we

1282
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:30,400
cannot identify who the photographer was

1283
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,520
and that's going to be that's going to

1284
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,280
be the first major hurdle they're going

1285
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,640
to have to leave and i don't think they

1286
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,240
can do it

1287
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,720
yeah and then not to mention the

1288
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,480
circus-like uh

1289
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:42,559
atmosphere that uh appears to be

1290
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,599
building

1291
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,880
around the mexico uh city

1292
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,480
event that's being planned and i'm not

1293
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,079
sure that tom and don are completely

1294
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,760
responsible for the circus-like

1295
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,160
atmosphere i think this adam do guy in

1296
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,800
chicago who's who is producing the

1297
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,800
documentary to go with this is sort of

1298
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,480
responsible for that

1299
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,800
by putting up on youtube

1300
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,800
bits and pieces of the documentary so we

1301
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:05,920
can see

1302
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,440
see what they have um so i uh

1303
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:11,200
there's there's some real problems with

1304
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,839
it

1305
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,119
and and

1306
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,880
i just cannot see how they're gonna how

1307
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,240
they're going to be able to overcome

1308
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,599
some of the problems because they just

1309
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,599
do not have the information they said

1310
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,200
they're going to prove

1311
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,800
uh they're going to provide all of this

1312
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,480
information and they've got all these

1313
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,400
scientists lined up to

1314
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,160
to make pronouncements about the

1315
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,760
legitimacy of this slides and clearly

1316
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,079
the slides clearly are there pictures of

1317
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,760
some kind of creature whether it's the

1318
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,160
mummy or something else

1319
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,760
but but

1320
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,119
to get it to the

1321
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,960
extraterrestrial and link it to roswell

1322
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,800
i just don't think they can do it well

1323
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:45,200
the thing that bothers me about all this

1324
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:46,160
is

1325
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,319
we've got people writing blogs that

1326
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,200
in one case a certain ufo researcher

1327
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,880
writes in a rather

1328
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:59,440
national enquirer kind of tone

1329
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,480
i hope that's not me no it's not you

1330
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,880
but you know what i mean he hypes the

1331
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,440
thing to the nth degree

1332
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,200
and don't you think here

1333
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,839
that they really had compelling evidence

1334
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:13,440
that something

1335
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,720
significant is contained in these slides

1336
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,640
they would simply say we're going to

1337
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,000
have this event

1338
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,520
and here's the evidence but when you're

1339
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,440
trying to force the issue

1340
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,359
creating what might be unreasonable

1341
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:26,960
expectations

1342
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,680
it strikes me as what microsoft used to

1343
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,760
do for example they tell all these new

1344
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,839
software and hardware products

1345
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,760
they're going to introduce

1346
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,520
and they don't do it really much anymore

1347
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,359
but they used to and the products would

1348
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,359
never come out or if they came out

1349
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,599
they'd not have the features promised

1350
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,440
and that goes back to windows vista for

1351
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,480
those who study the tech universe

1352
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,319
okay and you know what i mean there were

1353
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,839
things there that were supposed to be

1354
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,359
there so we're getting the same kind of

1355
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,760
hype here and then i wonder okay you

1356
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:57,200
have something here that might be the

1357
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,640
most significant discovery of our age

1358
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,760
proof

1359
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,079
that alien creatures

1360
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,240
landed somewhere their bodies are

1361
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,800
recovered if everything that's promised

1362
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:10,160
is true

1363
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,200
that's the

1364
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,280
what we would expect so what are they

1365
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,599
doing they're holding the event a paid

1366
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:16,640
event

1367
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:20,000
not in the us not with scientists

1368
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,720
but

1369
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,480
in mexico city

1370
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,240
that doesn't make sense to me we'll try

1371
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,319
to make more sense of it we have kevin

1372
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:28,160
randle with gene and chris you're in

1373
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1374
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,829
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1375
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1376
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1377
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1378
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1379
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1380
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1381
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standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,220
here's jane steinberg

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00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,280
[Music]

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00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:13,040
so i don't want to be negative nelly

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00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:13,839
here

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00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,720
or a negative gnat or whatever with gene

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00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,240
and chris and the power cast kevin

1435
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,800
randle and i think you get the sense of

1436
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,559
my concerns about this

1437
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,440
that they're trying too hard to hype it

1438
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,359
in advance at the event

1439
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,480
it's become almost a show business thing

1440
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:32,240
and they're holding it in mexico city

1441
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,520
why

1442
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,119
because that was where they were able to

1443
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,359
get the venue i wouldn't mind a trip to

1444
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,280
mexico city i there's a lot of neat

1445
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,920
things to see around mexico city

1446
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,839
i think the problem is

1447
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,319
some of the information leaked way early

1448
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,480
it's not really the fault of don or tom

1449
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:50,319
that it leaked early but some of the

1450
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,359
information

1451
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,920
that got out shouldn't have

1452
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,160
and made it a little bit more difficult

1453
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:57,839
for them to do their

1454
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,720
investigation i i think that

1455
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,880
the way to do this

1456
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,480
would have been to okay we've got these

1457
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:07,040
slides now how do we how do we validate

1458
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,240
these things

1459
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,000
and do it quietly

1460
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,839
until you've got all your ducks in a row

1461
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,599
and then announce we're going here's

1462
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,119
what we're going to do

1463
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,720
i think of

1464
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,720
back in 1997

1465
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,359
which is much longer ago than i care to

1466
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,200
care to think about at the 50th

1467
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,680
anniversary of the of the roswell crash

1468
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,440
the big hype was they had a piece of

1469
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,400
debris

1470
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,160
and it was going to be

1471
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,119
demonstrated at the 50th anniversary

1472
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:35,119
the chain of custody had been preserved

1473
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,240
and they were going to announce it

1474
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,680
they're going to explain who had the

1475
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,319
medal how he had acquired it and and

1476
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,400
they had the scientific analysis and the

1477
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,839
auditorium there

1478
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,960
at the

1479
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,520
new mexico military institute was filled

1480
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,359
with people and reporters

1481
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:51,040
waiting to see this thing and they came

1482
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,319
on the stage and they made their

1483
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:54,079
presentation they sneaked the scientists

1484
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,680
in the back door he made his

1485
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,920
presentation he left before questions

1486
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,319
were answered we were never told who

1487
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,960
had the debris the chain of custody was

1488
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,119
not presented and then when you found

1489
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,359
the scientist and you talked to him

1490
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,960
you found out that he was talking about

1491
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:12,000
isotopic ratios in the structure of the

1492
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,960
metal

1493
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,440
of the isotopic ratios did not match

1494
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,920
that which you'd find naturally on earth

1495
00:56:23,470 --> 00:56:19,839
which means it was a manufactured piece

1496
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,480
of material all well and good except the

1497
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,240
isotopic ratios did not exclude it from

1498
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,480
having been produced on earth so it

1499
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,720
wasn't this great thing that we had

1500
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,720
expected all of the information that

1501
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,319
we've been told prior to the thing

1502
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,720
showing up turned out not to be true

1503
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,280
the scientist turned out not to be a

1504
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,520
professor at the university he was in

1505
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:44,079
some other capacity there he wasn't he

1506
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,839
wasn't teaching

1507
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,200
i don't think he was in research i

1508
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,960
forget exactly what he was doing but but

1509
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,799
he was he worked at the university but

1510
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:53,280
not in the capacity you would have would

1511
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,119
have hoped for

1512
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,960
and it all came apart

1513
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,720
you know i've raised questions

1514
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,559
repeatedly over the last couple of

1515
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,119
months several months about

1516
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,480
some of the issues i have that they

1517
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,400
haven't answered the questions for and i

1518
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,319
hope they answer them in mexico city but

1519
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,000
i don't think they can

1520
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,760
and without quite answers to those

1521
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,599
specific questions

1522
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,280
i think they have a real problem and

1523
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,799
then you can look at it from another

1524
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,880
point of view okay the slides are real

1525
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,040
they're pictures of something

1526
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:24,000
that does not mean they show an alien

1527
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:25,119
creature

1528
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,880
the way to date the film i think

1529
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,040
if you take and i and i've taken apart

1530
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,440
some of my older slides to look at the

1531
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,640
way they're done

1532
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,040
the dating code on the film

1533
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,119
doesn't appear on every slide so it

1534
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,000
seems unlikely but certainly possible

1535
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,079
that you if you pulled apart one of them

1536
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,640
you'd get the date code for 1947 which i

1537
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,640
think is what they're claiming and the

1538
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,720
sleeves like i said put it in a range

1539
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,559
from 41 to

1540
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:54,960
49 is when they use that particular

1541
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,359
cardboard sleeve so you've got those

1542
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,079
problems and i i like i said i'm i'm

1543
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,160
repeating myself now i know it but i

1544
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,240
just cannot see them overcoming those

1545
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,480
hurdles and so when all is said and done

1546
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,319
we're going to have a going to have some

1547
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,960
interesting pictures of something that's

1548
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,960
not going to really prove

1549
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:14,160
anything

1550
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,680
now when you have things like that where

1551
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,520
you over promise

1552
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,440
you're under the deliver

1553
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:24,640
what happens to the ufo field in general

1554
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,160
do we just look crazier and crazier than

1555
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,799
we did before in terms of validity of

1556
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,240
what we have to say

1557
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:33,680
i'm not sure that we can look any

1558
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:34,799
crazier

1559
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,920
if you go back and you look at the

1560
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,760
history of the alien autopsy and who

1561
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:39,680
actually finally exposed it as being a

1562
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,559
hoax was members in the ufo field but

1563
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,640
all anybody's going to remember is well

1564
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,720
we were we were shown this autopsy film

1565
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,240
of this alien creature that turned out

1566
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,960
to be faith and we look at this piece of

1567
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:52,160
metal that was

1568
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,440
going to be

1569
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,520
proven to be of alien manufacturer at

1570
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,079
the roswell festival in 1997 and it

1571
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,680
turned out that it wasn't what it was

1572
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,960
promised to be

1573
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:02,640
and so i think for a lot of people is

1574
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,839
going to be well yeah we kind of

1575
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,240
expected that anyway so no big deal

1576
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,160
what people will remember is that the

1577
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,319
whole thing blew up i mean when the air

1578
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,640
force unveiled their idiotic project

1579
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,440
mogul explanation for the roswell crash

1580
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,960
you could see the reporters in the room

1581
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,680
weren't buying it and now there's

1582
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,720
literally

1583
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:22,160
people say oh yeah that was a that was a

1584
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,359
balloon

1585
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,200
and and the evidence just does not

1586
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:27,280
support that conclusion if you look at

1587
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:28,640
all the evidence

1588
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,760
the the mogul flights do not explain

1589
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,200
what fell at roswell doesn't mean it's

1590
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,640
alien or extraterrestrial this means

1591
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,799
this explanation doesn't work

1592
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,640
but i think we're going to end up here i

1593
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,880
think at this point and the overhype may

1594
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,799
be the result of people like me even

1595
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,839
blogging about it

1596
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,720
unintentionally uh raising the hype

1597
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,880
although i tried to be very cautious in

1598
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,880
what i've said and i tried to be as

1599
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,359
neutral as possible in what i've said

1600
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,359
but there's an awful lot of hype going

1601
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,920
on on other arenas

1602
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,119
which

1603
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,960
if i was if i was promoting this event

1604
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,040
i'd be delighted about because it would

1605
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,200
put more money into my pocket but

1606
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:07,520
i i just think it's it's going to turn

1607
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:08,240
out

1608
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,079
badly and i find in the ufo field

1609
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,480
when you shoot yourself in the foot it

1610
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,720
really doesn't matter as long as you

1611
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,000
embrace

1612
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,760
all the nonsense that's out there in the

1613
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,280
ufo field

1614
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,359
uh you know you've gotta you buy

1615
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,760
everything you say yes it's all true you

1616
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,839
validate people's belief structures

1617
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,680
you're golden no matter what you've done

1618
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:31,440
in the past what lies you've told in the

1619
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,400
past

1620
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:34,000
what cases you've endorsed that have

1621
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,520
blown up in your face in the past it

1622
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,880
doesn't matter as long as you're

1623
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:38,160
embracing

1624
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,240
the proper things in the ufo field

1625
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:43,680
it's the only field where people can

1626
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:46,880
blow their foot off and it grows back

1627
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:49,920
they blow their leg off and it grows bad

1628
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,240
yeah and it's amazing how some people

1629
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,440
are outed and they kind of duck out of a

1630
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:56,880
view for a while and then boom they're

1631
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,079
back and uh like nothing happened and uh

1632
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,240
you know unless you knew about the uh

1633
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,040
the outing or whatever the scenario was

1634
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,440
i went through i went through

1635
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,400
piece by piece why robert willingham

1636
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,000
could not be believed

1637
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,400
i presented the documentation we had

1638
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,760
pictures of the guy they said well we

1639
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,520
got pictures of a guy in his uniform the

1640
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,079
air force uniform in the 1960s was he

1641
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:22,079
making the stuff up then and i said send

1642
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:23,359
me the pictures and i looked at it the

1643
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:24,559
first thing i saw it's a civil air

1644
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,000
patrol uniform it's not an air force

1645
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,319
uniform there's another picture of him

1646
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,079
in his class a blue uniform with his

1647
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,640
ribbons on but the the insignia on the

1648
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,240
lapels the u.s that the air force would

1649
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,920
be wearing is missing and you can see

1650
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,760
the holes where he's taking it off but

1651
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,440
he's wearing civil air patrol ribbons

1652
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,359
along with his military ribbons not all

1653
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,520
of which he earned by the way and so you

1654
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:45,280
know what he's done he's he's taken off

1655
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,960
the the insignia but he left the ribbons

1656
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,040
on him tell his civil air patrol ribbon

1657
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,799
in the civil air patrol you are allowed

1658
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,040
to wear ribbons you earned on active

1659
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,960
duty but you are not allowed to wear

1660
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,880
civil air patrol ribbons on your active

1661
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,799
duty uniform if you're in the air force

1662
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,720
so that makes it a civil air patrol

1663
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,640
uniform we look at the documentation

1664
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:04,319
well here's where he's altered it these

1665
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,079
these notations make no sense these are

1666
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,799
not proper notation and people will say

1667
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,640
you know you've just circled the wagons

1668
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,240
and you just won't listen to the facts

1669
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,400
excuse me i'm telling you what's going

1670
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,400
on here i've shown you the evidence and

1671
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,160
you're telling me no this doesn't count

1672
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,839
so uh there's still people that argue

1673
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,920
for the legitimacy of robert willingham

1674
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,000
even though i found the original story

1675
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,400
he told in 1968

1676
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:27,839
about his

1677
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,559
his chase of the ufo and how it evolved

1678
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,559
into something completely different by

1679
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,559
the time he was interviewed in in the

1680
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:36,720
late 90s and the beginning of this

1681
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,200
century but people still believe robert

1682
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,440
willingham and i'm the bad guy because i

1683
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:43,599
pointed it out but i was more annoyed at

1684
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:45,440
him claiming to be a military officer

1685
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,880
than i was his tale of a ufo crash

1686
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,680
so the messenger is attacked in the ufo

1687
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,280
field obviously the mess the messenger

1688
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:55,200
is always the bad guy if you suggest

1689
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:56,799
something isn't what it's supposed to be

1690
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,119
you're the bad guy even though you can

1691
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,960
you can demonstrate it

1692
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,559
through the evidence

1693
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,000
and anybody who would check the evidence

1694
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:05,839
would see the same thing you're the bad

1695
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,240
guy and this guy's records have been

1696
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,000
altered because the government is

1697
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,000
covering up the great secret

1698
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:14,559
shades of bob lazar

1699
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,960
oh yes i remember that one but i don't

1700
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:22,240
want again you know what let's i'm going

1701
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to ask you about mel noel in our next

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01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,160
segment because we have talked about

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lazar and the power cast but we'll get

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into that anyway before you go on please

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check

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well i guess we're just tearing apart

1817
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:14,799
the fakers the hoaxers we're talking

1818
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,679
about the vaporware in the ufo field

1819
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,880
this event in mexico city for roswell

1820
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:22,960
slides may 5th

1821
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:25,600
is it going to be something important or

1822
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,880
another sideshow mel noel kevin randall

1823
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:31,679
tell our listeners who he was

1824
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:32,960
he was a guy claimed to ban the air

1825
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:35,279
force fighter pilot signed to a special

1826
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,600
squadron that chased ufos made gun

1827
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:39,920
camera films of them and he turned out

1828
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:42,560
not to have been a military officer not

1829
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:44,960
to have been a fighter pilot i mean it's

1830
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:47,199
just the same story we hear over and

1831
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,319
over again

1832
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,480
another one is i think bill english

1833
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,719
claimed to be a special forces captain

1834
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:54,799
and was involved in ufos and actually

1835
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,279
told don and me about the nuns diary and

1836
01:09:02,229 --> 01:08:59,520
i'm thinking this guy's an ex

1837
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,239
green beret special forces captain

1838
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,920
i believe what he's saying and we got

1839
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,440
his record and turned out yes he served

1840
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,199
in the army he was a pfc

1841
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,080
it just goes on and on and on like that

1842
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,960
throughout the the ufo field

1843
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,480
cliff stone say what you will about

1844
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,799
cliff stone

1845
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,719
he claimed to be a sergeant first class

1846
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,120
in the army and he was

1847
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,719
claimed to have served in vietnam and

1848
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:25,040
the records blew that out he served in

1849
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:26,480
vietnam

1850
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,440
so you know at least with cliff stone

1851
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,199
uh he was telling the truth about his

1852
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:38,880
military record when he when he talked

1853
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,839
about uh having been in vietnam and then

1854
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,759
a sergeant first class

1855
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,359
there were other problems with his tales

1856
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,679
but but that came out in other other

1857
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,759
investigations but i mean

1858
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,600
there are so many so many of these

1859
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,759
stories throughout the ufo field it's

1860
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,719
just

1861
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,520
absolutely preposterous anymore and i

1862
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,760
try to check these things out as much as

1863
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:01,280
i can

1864
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,719
with the willingham thing i thought

1865
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,400
others had checked it out before me and

1866
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:06,800
i i talked to bruce mcabee about it

1867
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,520
bruce said uh uh well todd zuckel

1868
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,440
checked it out and i'm thinking well

1869
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:13,040
zechal checked it out maybe i better do

1870
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:14,239
something too but everybody thought

1871
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:15,679
somebody else had done it so i went and

1872
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,679
did it again and it turned out his

1873
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,440
records didn't it didn't

1874
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:21,440
line up with what he was saying

1875
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:24,080
but we can check those records now

1876
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,440
glenn toy

1877
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:28,000
a name you probably do not know

1878
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,520
who was involved in the sightings at

1879
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,280
white sand missile range the day after

1880
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,120
the level land sightings in in november

1881
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:35,679
of 1957 saw saw an object with his with

1882
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,320
his uh partner i checked him out glenn

1883
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,640
toy's exactly who he said he was

1884
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,040
never made up any stories never ever you

1885
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:45,040
know he just has this wonderfully

1886
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,080
nice little ufo sighting in uh

1887
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:49,840
at white sands missile range the day

1888
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:51,199
after actually the

1889
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,880
the same morning but hours after the

1890
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:54,960
level land sightings had ended

1891
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,280
but i checked it out got his record

1892
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:59,040
and he was exactly who he said he was so

1893
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,040
some of them do check out

1894
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,760
and and some of them do not

1895
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:05,360
of course even if they check out no

1896
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,239
proof

1897
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:08,159
that that demonstrates the validity of

1898
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,920
their claims let's get back to roswell

1899
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,000
shortly before we go to other subjects

1900
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:14,400
and lots of questions from our listeners

1901
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,280
so

1902
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:17,199
the dream team book

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not going to happen

1904
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:19,280
no

1905
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:23,520
roswell's slides but we have suspicions

1906
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,400
does that end it as far as roswell

1907
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:28,960
research is concerned where can we

1908
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:32,159
possibly go from here especially if the

1909
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,600
roswell slides event is another debacle

1910
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,159
i have been looking at the edit as a

1911
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:40,480
cold case myself

1912
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:41,440
and

1913
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,280
put it all together

1914
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,960
so i'm trying to put together the

1915
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information into a book

1916
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we actually had an opportunity to sell

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sell the roswell the ultimate roswell

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publishing house

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01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,280
but the window closed before we before

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01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:02,880
we got done

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01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:05,600
on all the investigation

1924
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,800
if the slides blow up

1925
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:10,880
it is not

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01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,719
i i think the thing is the slides

1927
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,000
um

1928
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,080
tom and don have kind of tried to do

1929
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,920
this is distance the slides a little bit

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01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:22,239
from the roswell case but if the slides

1931
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:23,840
blow up it's just

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01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,679
one more

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01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,600
uh

1934
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,440
bump in the road i guess i mean we've

1935
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,600
had the alien autopsy which blew up but

1936
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:33,840
there's a there's a core of of good

1937
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:36,320
solid information there that has not

1938
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,840
blown up on us

1939
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:39,440
um

1940
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:42,400
so we can continue to look at that

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01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,199
we're

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01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,960
to the point where people who were

1943
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,800
assigned to the base in 1947 are no

1944
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,040
longer around uh tell us what they saw

1945
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,880
or didn't see

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01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,920
um

1947
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,440
but we can look at we can look at what

1948
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,120
has been said in the past and see how it

1949
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,280
all hangs together and there's there's

1950
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,040
some things that are going on

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01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:01,920
uh in the background that may

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01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:04,719
bear some fruit

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01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:08,400
areas of investigation people who

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01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,679
are looking a little bit deeper into the

1955
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:11,040
backgrounds may provide some more

1956
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,560
information so there may be some things

1957
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,840
going on

1958
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,520
that will help

1959
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,600
but if the slides blow up it's going

1960
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,360
it's going to be it's going to damage

1961
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,360
the roswell case it can't help to damage

1962
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:23,199
it because there's just one more example

1963
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,159
if somebody's trying to connect

1964
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,640
something to rosalind blew up

1965
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:29,040
so it's going to damage that whole thing

1966
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,560
but we have to look at the entirety of

1967
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,320
the ufo field and everybody says well it

1968
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,640
began in june of 1947 with arnold but it

1969
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,800
really didn't began in the late in the

1970
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,040
early 1940s with the foo fighters in

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01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,960
europe and we can see the connection

1972
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,400
with the foo fighters to the ghost

1973
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,320
rockets to an investigation that began

1974
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,800
unofficially in 1946 at right right

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01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,520
field that evolved into project sign and

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01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:51,600
an official investigation so the history

1977
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,560
transcends roswell and and there's some

1978
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,800
very good information going on there and

1979
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,120
all if all that comes forward it helps

1980
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,440
it helps the field as a whole

1981
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,880
and may help

1982
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:05,280
roswell a little bit but we're the you

1983
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,880
know we can't go back and talk to walter

1984
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,560
hot anymore we can't talk to jesse

1985
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,120
marcel we can't talk to patrick saunders

1986
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:13,040
we can't talk to

1987
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:17,600
brazel and all these people have since

1988
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,400
died we've got some good stuff on tape

1989
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:22,159
both audio and videotapes from these

1990
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:23,840
people so you can look at look at all of

1991
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:24,640
that

1992
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:27,440
so you can you can kind of reinvestigate

1993
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,080
but um developing new information about

1994
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,719
it unless somebody stumbles on to the

1995
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,560
file folder with some very good

1996
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,640
documentation in it and then we're going

1997
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,320
to be

1998
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:40,960
kind of speculating from this point on

1999
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,360
speaking of speculations are you aware

2000
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:45,679
of the claims made by the former

2001
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:48,159
international director of mufon james

2002
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,360
carrion

2003
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:52,880
about the ghost rockets being some kind

2004
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:55,760
of military disinformation thing and i

2005
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,520
guess he's suggesting

2006
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,840
that roswell might be something similar

2007
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,679
although he hasn't come out with all the

2008
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,960
information yet

2009
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,960
the problem with his

2010
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:06,080
theory

2011
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,520
is that if you look at the documentation

2012
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:11,280
from the embassies

2013
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,640
and the people who are involved in it

2014
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,080
and i'm thinking specifically howard

2015
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,320
mccoy

2016
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,320
they have nothing to do with it it's not

2017
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,560
disinformation the original idea was it

2018
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,960
was the soviets trying to intimidate

2019
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,199
the scandinavians with the ghost rockets

2020
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,960
they'd be with what they'd captured from

2021
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:29,040
the from the nazis after the end of

2022
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,960
world war ii and they were trying to

2023
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,719
intimidate um

2024
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:34,960
specifically the swedes

2025
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:36,560
but there's no there's no evidence in

2026
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:37,360
the

2027
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:39,199
files that have now been opened up after

2028
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,480
the collapse of the soviet union to

2029
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,239
support that conclusion

2030
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:44,320
and the documentation really doesn't

2031
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,679
suggest

2032
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,040
that

2033
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,960
this was going on at the highest levels

2034
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:50,239
of the american

2035
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,719
intelligence community to to either

2036
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:54,719
intimidate the swedes or

2037
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,120
uh some kind of a disinformation ploy

2038
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,360
because the guys who are involved in it

2039
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,159
like howard mccoy are as puzzled as

2040
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,520
as the rest of us

2041
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,520
what's interesting however mccoy had

2042
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,159
gathered all this ghost rocket material

2043
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,560
and once the investigation became public

2044
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,719
all those records disappeared

2045
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:14,159
he got rid of them

2046
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:15,600
and my understanding is they're buried

2047
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,640
under the golf course at

2048
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wright-patterson air force base

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is in everything no no

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this was used for landfill

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we'll get into landfills and much more

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[Music]

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this is kurt 70 author of ufo mysteries

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and you're listening to the paracast

2151
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[Music]

2152
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,000
okay kevin randall we're discussing

2153
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:08,560
roswell and now ghost rockets with gene

2154
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:09,600
and chris

2155
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,400
now i think the theory that i read in

2156
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the rosetta deception from carry on was

2157
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:15,520
that

2158
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,480
we were trying to spook the russians

2159
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,400
yeah and doing this stuff with ghost

2160
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:21,840
rockets but you don't think he's made

2161
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,800
the case

2162
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:25,520
i think the documentation when you look

2163
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,560
at all the documentation especially that

2164
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,080
that

2165
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:32,560
comes comes out from what howard mccoy

2166
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:33,600
was doing

2167
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,920
it it kind of suggests that's

2168
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:37,679
the theory is inaccurate

2169
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,280
you know i don't think the evidence is

2170
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,040
not there to support the theory you know

2171
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:43,280
it's an interesting idea and

2172
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:44,320
there are

2173
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,840
some things about the ghost rockets that

2174
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:47,520
are extremely puzzling

2175
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,960
but you know i look at the information

2176
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,800
that's been developed by the the swedish

2177
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,480
ufo researchers

2178
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:54,639
and i discuss it i discuss it at length

2179
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,840
in the government ufo files

2180
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,239
but it's just suggestive of it having

2181
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:02,400
nothing to do with a disinformation

2182
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,679
campaign or attempt to spook the soviets

2183
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,440
and you and then you look at the crash

2184
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:09,600
on pittsburgh and ireland

2185
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,719
and uh

2186
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,320
what's going on there and you find out

2187
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,080
that this is you know that's really kind

2188
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,159
of a hoax it has nothing to do with ufos

2189
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,320
whatsoever so there's all these things

2190
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,760
going on but i don't think it's really

2191
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:22,239
disinformation poised from uh

2192
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,679
from the united states and i don't think

2193
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,000
it was the soviets attempting to

2194
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,560
intimidate the swedish government and i

2195
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:30,560
really don't know what it was you know a

2196
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,800
lot of the things we were seeing to kind

2197
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,159
of explode in the air and a lot of them

2198
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:35,679
seem to crash but they never seem to

2199
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,840
recover any debris that would explain

2200
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,080
exactly what it was you know so there's

2201
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,000
some problems with um

2202
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:43,920
with the with these theories i you know

2203
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,040
carrion's got an interesting idea

2204
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:49,120
but i don't think i don't think

2205
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,679
the documentation supports it

2206
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:53,440
chris we've got loads and loads of

2207
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,360
questions from our listeners

2208
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:57,120
of kevin ramsey and i think uh this

2209
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:00,080
first question um is uh appropriate for

2210
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,320
the where we are in this conversation

2211
01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:04,800
this comes from sublight who is a one of

2212
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,760
our new signees at

2213
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:08,400
form.theparacast.com

2214
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:10,639
where you can post questions for our

2215
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:11,520
guests

2216
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,159
mr randall why after all these years is

2217
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,400
so much attention placed on roswell and

2218
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:18,560
so little attention has been given to

2219
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,080
the 1947 saucer wave itself during that

2220
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:24,159
that same summer there are so many

2221
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:25,840
detailed accounts of people who saw

2222
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,239
these things it's always frustrated me

2223
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:29,920
that so much time has been sucked into

2224
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:32,080
roswell and i feel that we've lost a lot

2225
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:33,520
of information we could have gained by

2226
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,199
interviewing people over the last 30 or

2227
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,600
40 years about what they saw during that

2228
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:40,000
same summer and perhaps we could get

2229
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:42,000
more details or more information or we

2230
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:43,840
could have

2231
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,920
comments about that that's a good point

2232
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:47,040
there were

2233
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:48,880
an amazing amount of sightings during

2234
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:51,679
that summer of 47 which has kind of been

2235
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,800
lost

2236
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:54,560
in the shuffle over the years well if

2237
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:57,520
you take a look at what ted bloacher's

2238
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,639
monograph of the wave of 1947 you get an

2239
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,560
awful lot of that information you can go

2240
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:04,239
to your newspaper files and look the

2241
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,600
stuff up yourself

2242
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,679
one of the things that i did as i was

2243
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:10,000
doing the uh government ufo files is i

2244
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,800
was looking for any sightings of this

2245
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,639
that were reported prior to kenneth

2246
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,199
arnold because you know the theory is

2247
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,360
the idea of a flying saucer was born out

2248
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,760
of a mistake that one of the reporters

2249
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,239
made when arnold said that he they saw

2250
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,920
the craft move like saucers skipping

2251
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,120
across the

2252
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:29,120
water they

2253
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:31,040
described them as disc shaped objects or

2254
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:32,719
flying saucers and you know this was a

2255
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,560
misnomer so i was looking for sightings

2256
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,440
of discs that were reported prior to

2257
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:41,040
arnold one of the things they pointed

2258
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:42,400
out to and it's something that anybody

2259
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,440
can do

2260
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:45,360
it was a sighting in cedar rapids iowa

2261
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,320
on

2262
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,960
june 23rd of a

2263
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,719
railroad man i don't remember if he was

2264
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,080
an engineer

2265
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:54,239
or a conductor what exactly what it was

2266
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,320
but he'd seen ten disc shaped objects

2267
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,560
this shaped object in the sky

2268
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,719
and you look at frank edwards work and

2269
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,560
he's mentioned it and i think wendy

2270
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:04,080
connors

2271
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:07,280
in their book about alfred loading

2272
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:10,480
which examines a lot of the 47 stuff

2273
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,360
references to frank edwards richard hall

2274
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,080
and his ufo evidence mentioned the case

2275
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,960
and dated it offered june 23 1947. so i

2276
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,320
said well cedar rapids island i'm gonna

2277
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,320
go look at the newspaper i finally found

2278
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,719
the case it took place

2279
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,120
at best on the same day as the arnold

2280
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,120
siding it wasn't reported till days

2281
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:30,960
later didn't take place in cedar rapids

2282
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:33,360
iowa took place in joliet illinois

2283
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:36,960
and so i chased that story down

2284
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,920
because it it would have been a discs

2285
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:42,000
shaped a sighting of this shaped object

2286
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:43,440
reported prior to ireland it turned out

2287
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,480
not to be true the point being is

2288
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:48,320
we haven't lost the opportunity a lot of

2289
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,320
that research has been done

2290
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,400
a lot of it is in especially the older

2291
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,320
ufo books so you can go back and look at

2292
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:55,920
that stuff you can go back to the

2293
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,719
newspaper files you can find people who

2294
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,920
are around in 1947 who remember this

2295
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,440
stuff and you can look the whole you can

2296
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,199
you can look it all up so a lot of that

2297
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:07,360
work has been done and it's out there

2298
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,679
you just have to assemble it yourself

2299
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:11,520
uh but one of the first places to start

2300
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,480
would be ted bloacher's of the wave

2301
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,120
of 1947 and it's available for free

2302
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:19,040
online you just type ted bloach's name

2303
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,080
in

2304
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:23,040
the ufo away from 1947 and you'll get to

2305
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,920
that and

2306
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,840
there's a wonderful resource that

2307
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,760
provides that sort of information so i

2308
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:29,920
don't think we've lost it we focused on

2309
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,840
roswell because if roswell turns out to

2310
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,040
be true

2311
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,360
if roswell was a crash as an alien craft

2312
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,840
then we prove the case and we can we can

2313
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,520
stop arguing about whether they're alien

2314
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:42,239
visitation or not we can now move on to

2315
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,320
other arenas of investigation that's why

2316
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,639
roswell has taken over the

2317
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,320
majority of the research but the the

2318
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,400
other research you want is out there

2319
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,080
it's it's printed in the books it's

2320
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,840
printed in the newspapers it's out there

2321
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:55,679
for the person who wants to look for it

2322
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:58,000
now i understand the value of roswell

2323
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,440
evidence of

2324
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,280
alien life

2325
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:03,679
evidence of alien technology but if

2326
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:04,800
we've reached

2327
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,280
the end point in getting new evidence

2328
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:08,960
we've reached the point where there's

2329
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:11,600
not much more to be found unless some

2330
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,000
real smoking gun and i have my doubts

2331
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,800
about roswell's slides is found let me

2332
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,880
just add something here that uh

2333
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,560
uh maybe of interest i think to kevin

2334
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,880
and yourself and and our listeners a

2335
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:24,880
friend of the show ron reguer has been

2336
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,360
putting the finishing touches on

2337
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:28,880
i guess the working title is another

2338
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:31,760
damn book about roswell

2339
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,199
some of the things that i've discussed

2340
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,080
with him about his work uh is very

2341
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:38,159
intriguing and could possibly be

2342
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,520
considered new evidence about this case

2343
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,520
a lot of this has to do with the actual

2344
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,600
photographs taken

2345
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:48,000
of jessie marcel and the

2346
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:48,800
uh

2347
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,760
you know supposed mogul balloon wreckage

2348
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,920
and uh also uh

2349
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:55,679
general rainey

2350
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:58,320
the photographs also show him and the

2351
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:59,679
note in his hand there's been some

2352
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:00,880
forensic

2353
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,120
analysis work done on that particular

2354
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:05,360
note that he has in his hand and ron

2355
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,840
mcgare has uncovered from the batman

2356
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,520
archives a very interesting photograph

2357
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:11,280
that appears to show

2358
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:13,280
the roswell wreckage but

2359
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,120
it it looks like it's a much thicker in

2360
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,360
this particular photograph

2361
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,800
that was uncovered out of the batman

2362
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,320
archive and

2363
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,360
he also has some other interesting

2364
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,639
tidbits that he's going to have in there

2365
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:28,320
and i don't want to steal his thunder on

2366
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,679
it but

2367
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:31,520
rest assured i think it's going to raise

2368
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:34,480
some eyebrows um he has gone about this

2369
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,760
in in

2370
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,440
this whole thing in a new and sort of

2371
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,000
forensic sort of manner which i applaud

2372
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,080
and he's been doing some very good work

2373
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,159
and i'm really excited to

2374
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,880
to uh see the results of this work uh i

2375
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:48,560
believe the book will be published by

2376
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:49,440
keyhole

2377
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,239
publishing richard dolan's uh publishing

2378
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,239
company and uh

2379
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,480
i'm pretty excited about this this is uh

2380
01:29:01,830 --> 01:28:59,199
this could be uh some pretty interesting

2381
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:01,840
additional information that uh that has

2382
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:04,480
not been considered yet so rest assured

2383
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,239
that there is still a little bit left

2384
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:08,480
out there i think uh about this case

2385
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:09,520
that uh

2386
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,280
is uh new and um and could possibly be

2387
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,440
bombshell material you know what we have

2388
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,840
to bring ron back on the show bring him

2389
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,440
over to your house so we can get a

2390
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,679
decent connection for the show because

2391
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:23,040
last time we had ron on it was a

2392
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,400
wonderful episode

2393
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,639
he's really a great guy he's just a lot

2394
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,920
of fun to talk to i met him for the

2395
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:29,840
first time over at the international ufo

2396
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:32,320
conference and we have to i was helping

2397
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:35,280
him with his macbook by the way and he

2398
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,239
just needs to use skype or something to

2399
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,400
make that connection and let's talk

2400
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:42,400
about it further have you heard anything

2401
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:45,520
of this kevin i no i have not but the

2402
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,560
point simply is that there are places to

2403
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:50,719
go and research that can be done that

2404
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,960
may provide additional information i'll

2405
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:54,480
grant that we've got more questions from

2406
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:56,719
listeners by the way to get to i just

2407
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want to tell you again

2408
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that we have that second radio show

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carry over the content from this show to

2412
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2413
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01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:20,480
what you watch when you watch it record

2462
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your favorite shows pause and rewind

2463
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live tv even skip the commercials watch

2464
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local channels too at just 19.99 what

2465
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are you waiting for pull out your major

2466
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credit or debit card call 1-855-905 my

2467
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tv 1-855-905

2468
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my tv say goodbye to the cable guy cut

2469
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costs and get more 1-855-905

2470
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my tv

2471
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attention taxpayers if you've received a

2472
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:52,880
notice from the irs or state do not

2473
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:54,480
ignore it it's also a big mistake to try

2474
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:56,080
and handle your tax problem on your own

2475
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if you owe back taxes it's a fact that

2476
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:59,120
the government has the power to take

2477
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,719
everything you own including your home

2478
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2479
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:04,320
but here's the good news there's a

2480
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2481
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especially for you this tax hotline will

2482
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:08,719
tell you about new programs that are

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geared to help you dramatically settle

2484
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reduce or eliminate what you owe but you

2485
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:13,520
have to call now take down this number

2486
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:15,040
or put it in your cell phone but call

2487
01:33:20,110 --> 01:33:18,000
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2488
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:20,120
that's

2489
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:22,239
877-345-7645 when you call you get free

2490
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,520
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2491
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:25,440
eliminate back taxes including penalties

2492
01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:26,800
and interest you can also be helped if

2493
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:28,880
you have unfiled returns a tax lien wage

2494
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:30,400
garnishment bank levy or if you've been

2495
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:31,760
entered into a payment plan but can't

2496
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:33,280
make the payments don't make the big

2497
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:34,719
mistake in thinking you can ignore or

2498
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:36,239
handle your tax problem on your own you

2499
01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:37,520
can stop the collection process

2500
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:45,030
1-877-345-7645 that's 1-877-345-7645

2501
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,709
1-877-345-7645

2502
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,870
there's a man named dr joel wallach who

2503
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,040
is anything but your typical doctor both

2504
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,360
a veterinarian and naturopathic

2505
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:58,080
physician doc asks why does the united

2506
01:34:02,550 --> 01:33:59,920
states spend more money on health care

2507
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:02,560
by far and still rank 50th in health and

2508
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,960
longevity worldwide he believes that

2509
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:06,719
people should empower themselves with a

2510
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:09,199
basic understanding of nutrition take

2511
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,719
charge of their health and attain

2512
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,719
optimal health and longevity through

2513
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,199
nutrition not by toxic prescription

2514
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:17,440
drugs that lead to side effects and more

2515
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:20,400
toxic prescription drugs doc wallach's

2516
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:22,639
message is resonating with an increasing

2517
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:25,040
number of americans who are waking up to

2518
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:26,960
all the big government big pharma and

2519
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:29,280
big insurance manipulation of our health

2520
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:31,600
care system i'm george dory and i like

2521
01:34:36,189 --> 01:34:33,679
what doc wallach is saying and doing to

2522
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:36,199
enlighten people about health care visit

2523
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,080
brightsidebend.com and listen to doc

2524
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,239
wallach's deadly recipes lecture it

2525
01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:42,159
makes a lot of sense and i urge you to

2526
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,840
join the brightside bend team go to

2527
01:34:50,770 --> 01:34:46,239
brightsidebend.com that's

2528
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:53,270
[Music]

2529
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,840
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

2530
01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:57,840
encyclopedia and other books you're

2531
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:00,320
listening to the peercast

2532
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:10,000
[Music]

2533
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:12,320
we have kevin randall joining us chris

2534
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:14,159
o'brien got some more questions from

2535
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:15,360
listeners

2536
01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:18,400
i do uh speaking of burnt state our good

2537
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,760
friend who's uh one of our posters at

2538
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:22,880
forum.paracast.com who's

2539
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:25,679
actually passed the 3000 postmark uh

2540
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:29,679
recently and that was all yesterday yeah

2541
01:35:33,110 --> 01:35:30,719
probably

2542
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:33,120
well he's got another post here for us

2543
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,880
and um

2544
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:37,199
you know i i think a good one to start

2545
01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:39,600
with is this one historically what

2546
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,920
investigators and theorists to date have

2547
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:43,679
provided some positive critical

2548
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:46,080
direction regarding the ufo phenomenon

2549
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,000
and who do you feel is currently leading

2550
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:50,080
the investigation in an innovative

2551
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:51,199
manner

2552
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,360
what techniques and methods do you feel

2553
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:55,280
will help to shed light on this enduring

2554
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,560
problem

2555
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,040
wow i don't even know where to begin

2556
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,360
good lord um

2557
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:03,040
what i found

2558
01:36:07,110 --> 01:36:04,639
is i've done i've done something what i

2559
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:07,120
call chasing footnotes and you look at

2560
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,880
how something is footnoted in a book and

2561
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:10,880
you chase it to the foot to to what is

2562
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:12,560
reference to what is reference to see if

2563
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,840
you can get to the original source

2564
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,840
material and then it provides you with

2565
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:17,760
some interesting insights into what was

2566
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:19,040
going on

2567
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,880
i suppose if you're going to be honest

2568
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:22,239
about this

2569
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,320
if you're looking for the the leaders in

2570
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:26,080
the ufo field

2571
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:29,199
you have to start with stan friedman who

2572
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,080
wins the title simply by longevity

2573
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:34,639
um you have to look at tom and don are

2574
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,520
doing

2575
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,440
their thing and trying to get to the

2576
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:39,360
bottom of the case and they're

2577
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:41,120
looking at a lot of stuff

2578
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:43,120
george filer with his filer files

2579
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:45,040
provides a lot of information but i

2580
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:46,880
don't think he screens it critically i

2581
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,280
think he just publishes what he gets

2582
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,360
which is kind of the len springfield way

2583
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,520
of doing it is i've got this information

2584
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:55,760
i can't do anything with it but here it

2585
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:58,239
is maybe you can learn something about

2586
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,600
it and let me know what you find out and

2587
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:02,159
we'll update it as we go along

2588
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:05,040
i know the center for ufo studies is

2589
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:07,600
not functioning at top speed they had to

2590
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,639
eventually give up on the iur

2591
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:12,480
you know so i i

2592
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:14,320
if you want to look at the investigation

2593
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:15,119
i'll

2594
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:18,080
i i focus on the nuts and bolts stuff

2595
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:19,920
there's people doing a lot of work on

2596
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:21,920
abductions

2597
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:22,800
uh

2598
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,000
you know that's something else you've

2599
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:26,080
got people looking at cattle mutilations

2600
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:27,600
you've got people who are interested in

2601
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:30,159
landing traces and following that stuff

2602
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,440
up

2603
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:33,520
ted phillips has got that investigation

2604
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,400
going on in missouri which is more of a

2605
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,800
spook-like phenomenon than it is um

2606
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:40,639
alien visitation type thing but it's

2607
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,119
interesting and nonetheless

2608
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:45,040
uh so there's a lot of that stuff going

2609
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:46,480
on and i you know there's

2610
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,520
i guess

2611
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:50,239
you could say the ufo field is like any

2612
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,920
discipline where there's a lot of

2613
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:53,920
subsets to it and you just find the

2614
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,320
subset that that interests you

2615
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:58,719
uh i didn't mention crop circles uh

2616
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:00,000
there's people who are very interested

2617
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:02,159
in crop circles and what they're doing

2618
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:04,239
so you just have to find the people in

2619
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:07,040
that field who are doing the work

2620
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:08,320
that

2621
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,719
you are interested in

2622
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,880
i was looking at

2623
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:15,199
john mack's work because of his

2624
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,400
credentials

2625
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:18,000
you know bud hopkins was doing some

2626
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:19,840
interesting stuff

2627
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:22,239
but but you know we've lost both of them

2628
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,840
and so that's kind of

2629
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:25,760
fallen off the rails and i i don't see a

2630
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,719
lot of about abductions

2631
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,480
like we used to i don't know

2632
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,400
but but i don't actively search that

2633
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:34,480
sort of thing out

2634
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:36,800
so i guess that kind of is an answer to

2635
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:39,679
the question sort of maybe

2636
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:41,679
what about the idea of real-time hard

2637
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:44,000
data monitoring of triangulated camera

2638
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,119
arrays magnetometer gravitometer

2639
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:49,760
type gear uh in concert with uh

2640
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:51,040
triangulated

2641
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:52,719
uh optical good

2642
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:54,880
let's do it that's wonderful in today's

2643
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,320
environment you can set it up through

2644
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:58,480
the internet that's a wonderful idea

2645
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,280
let's do it i also remember back back in

2646
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:04,080
the early days of blue book um ed rubel

2647
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,679
talked about putting out cameras

2648
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:07,440
especially with the with the green

2649
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,320
fireballs over

2650
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:12,560
the desert southwest and he said well we

2651
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,760
never got the cameras there and they

2652
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,199
never took any photographs but if you

2653
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,800
take a look at some of the documentation

2654
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,400
that comes out of the green fireballs

2655
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,480
and granted this is the 1940s again

2656
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:22,080
early 1950s

2657
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:24,400
there was a picture taken

2658
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,760
but i don't know where it went i don't

2659
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,360
know what happened to it

2660
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:28,800
and and so that's some that's one of the

2661
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,760
other things you need to go to the

2662
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:31,360
archive you need to look at the look at

2663
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,880
the documentation and see where that

2664
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:35,360
leads you today too but but

2665
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:36,560
if you can set up some kind of

2666
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:38,239
triangulation back in the back of the

2667
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:41,199
1960s when i lived in colorado

2668
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:43,199
the denver ufo society had tried to set

2669
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,639
something up like that and they had

2670
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:49,440
sort of a phone tree around the denver

2671
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,239
metropolitan area which was quite huge

2672
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,760
for those of you

2673
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,280
who don't know denver

2674
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:57,360
and and i think we got actually one

2675
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,560
phone call

2676
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:00,320
about an object in the sky somebody had

2677
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:02,719
spotted and we went out looking and in

2678
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:04,639
fact it was a weather balloon but the

2679
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:06,000
point is you know that sort of thing has

2680
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,159
been attempted in the past but in

2681
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:09,920
today's environment with instant

2682
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:11,520
communications

2683
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:15,040
um right an affordable technology yes

2684
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:16,320
and i mean

2685
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,639
good lord my cell phone but has a 13

2686
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:21,119
megapixel camera on it for god's sakes

2687
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,480
um

2688
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,920
so i mean if

2689
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:25,520
that something can be done you can do it

2690
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,960
through skype you can do the internet

2691
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,480
you could just set something wonderful

2692
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:31,280
up and and might be able to get some

2693
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,000
very dramatic evidence that way

2694
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,480
yeah well that leads us to a question by

2695
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:38,560
one of our friendly skeptics uh who has

2696
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,280
returned to the forum after a long

2697
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,679
absence uh angel of

2698
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,600
i don't know how you had is it lauren

2699
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:47,119
i'm not sure how to we just call him

2700
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:48,719
angelo that's his room well it's angelo

2701
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:52,480
yeah but uh his his avatars of mario uh

2702
01:40:57,350 --> 01:40:55,199
the the video game character

2703
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:57,360
well you know since we're talking about

2704
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,199
technology we're talking about cameras

2705
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,520
uh cell phones that sort of thing his

2706
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:03,360
question is a good one despite the fact

2707
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:06,080
that everyone has hd video cameras with

2708
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:08,480
them now ufo sightings are rarely caught

2709
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,199
on video it seems as though overall ufo

2710
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:13,520
sightings have actually gone down i feel

2711
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,960
as though this is due to the fact that

2712
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:17,199
people are more informed now about

2713
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,800
what in the world they are

2714
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,960
they are seeing uh when the most famous

2715
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,440
sightings did happen also if they do

2716
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,520
capture something be it an image or

2717
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:28,239
video that image is often clear and one

2718
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,000
can tell that they caught a bird or a

2719
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,639
conventional aircraft or whatever do you

2720
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,400
feel that it's strange that with so many

2721
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:35,920
cameras out there kevin we've got

2722
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:41,750
i think the problem goes beyond that

2723
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:43,600
and i think it's a problem that that

2724
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:46,400
that any 12 year old kid with a

2725
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,440
computer

2726
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:49,760
can now fake a stunning video

2727
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:52,239
yeah and there's really no way to tell

2728
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,040
yeah

2729
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,440
well there are ways to tell but uh not

2730
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:56,880
the average person i don't think is

2731
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:58,080
equipped

2732
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,760
the problem is it's very easy to fake

2733
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:02,080
something like this i also think about

2734
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:02,719
it

2735
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,600
um a lot of the images that are captured

2736
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:06,880
uh

2737
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:08,159
are

2738
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:09,600
we got the pictures of fireballs for

2739
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:12,719
example old crossing crossing

2740
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:15,119
multiple states and and the difference

2741
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:16,480
is they're

2742
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:18,880
literally 50 60 miles high

2743
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:20,400
ufos if you're looking at them they're

2744
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:22,159
much lower so you don't have as much

2745
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:23,679
opportunity to catch them

2746
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:24,320
i

2747
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:34,000
and

2748
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,760
but when i look at i look at some of the

2749
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:37,679
things from the 1950s the film which

2750
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,360
would make it very very difficult it was

2751
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:41,440
very difficult to take that stuff

2752
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,480
um

2753
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,800
how they have been they have been

2754
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:47,679
belittled and ignored simply because

2755
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,119
they don't they don't resolve into a

2756
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:50,880
disc shaped craft

2757
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:53,119
uh like you would like them to to but

2758
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,639
but you don't um

2759
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,400
but you still got them being

2760
01:43:01,830 --> 01:42:59,360
belittled and the other the ants

2761
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:01,840
i guess the ancillary problem is

2762
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,760
we do not seem to be getting the same

2763
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,520
sort of robust

2764
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:08,239
ufo sightings that we got in the the 40s

2765
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:10,719
and the 50s and the 60s and it might be

2766
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,080
partially because we are more

2767
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:14,880
sophisticated we can we are identifying

2768
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,239
things that we would have said with the

2769
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,719
ufo uh you know 30 years ago we're

2770
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,560
saying oh yeah well that was an airplane

2771
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:22,080
or that was a bird or something like

2772
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:26,000
that or it may be that that the number

2773
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,679
of sightings is down simply because

2774
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:29,679
we're not being visited as frequently as

2775
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:31,280
we used to be

2776
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,960
people people are looking at their their

2777
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:34,239
cell phones and falling in love with

2778
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:36,159
their thumbs

2779
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:39,199
yes yeah uh what was the movie the the

2780
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:40,400
internship

2781
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:41,520
and they're they're standing there at

2782
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,960
the golden gate bridge and the guy's

2783
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,880
looking at his cell phone and and uh

2784
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:46,880
owen wilson walks over lifts his chin up

2785
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:48,560
and says look at the view

2786
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:49,600
you know you don't need to look at your

2787
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:51,040
cell phone look at the view you've got

2788
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,679
here and and that may be a problem too

2789
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,679
we're so busy looking at our cell phones

2790
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,199
we're not looking up in the sky to see

2791
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,040
bizarre things

2792
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,070
well i think it's uh it's it's a major

2793
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:06,560
problem uh people ask me you know i've

2794
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:09,360
had quite a number of i think bonafide

2795
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,280
quality sightings in the san luis valley

2796
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,119
and and people have kind of gone up to

2797
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,880
me in a very accusing sort of way and

2798
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:16,400
said well how come you see so many

2799
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,520
things and

2800
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:20,080
and and i don't i said because i look

2801
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,400
yeah that's precisely the answer too you

2802
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:24,080
have to look

2803
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:25,440
let me just mention this because we have

2804
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,360
to break it a second this might be

2805
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,960
interesting and

2806
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:30,719
there's this new product out from apple

2807
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,840
called apple watch where it becomes an

2808
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:35,280
accessory

2809
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,040
through like an iphone

2810
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:38,880
and the big thing that's being touted

2811
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,040
about it in the reviews is the fact that

2812
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,280
instead of looking at your smartphone

2813
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:45,840
and devoting so much attention to it and

2814
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:47,679
one writer says people do that like a

2815
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:50,159
hundred times a day smartphones you just

2816
01:44:54,149 --> 01:44:52,080
glance the watch very quickly to get a

2817
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:54,159
notification of something or

2818
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:57,199
it gives you a a tactic message on your

2819
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:58,239
wrist

2820
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:59,679
and you get the message quickly and get

2821
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:01,040
back to your business so instead of

2822
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,199
looking at your smartphone all day

2823
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:05,360
you maybe have the casual glance at your

2824
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,600
apple watch and then maybe you look up

2825
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:09,840
to the skies and maybe you see something

2826
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:11,199
i don't know if apple's going to solve

2827
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,000
the problem but that's the theory anyway

2828
01:45:19,930 --> 01:45:17,199
chris o'brien and gene with kevin randle

2829
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:19,940
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2830
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2835
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2836
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they said if we didn't pay it they'd

2837
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file a lien our attorney demanded

2838
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photographs witnesses and told them if

2839
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they couldn't provide this they must

2840
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:53,920
cease and desist issues solved worry

2841
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2842
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2844
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2845
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2846
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vary from case to case we the people

2847
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grow cotton wheat fabric engrave ink

2848
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embed strips and fibers to protect from

2849
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counterfeit then carting to a private

2850
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bank having it led back at interest

2851
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forcing taxes to service debt this

2852
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capitalism or was jefferson correct when

2853
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stating a central bank issuing the

2854
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public currency is a greater menace to

2855
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the liberties of the people than a

2856
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standing army hi ted anderson i'm

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placing a free silver dollar in a book

2858
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that explains our monetary system call

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2884
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2885
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2886
01:47:58,060 --> 01:47:54,719
and now

2887
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:58,070
here's gene steinberg

2888
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,270
you see the apple watch is going to

2889
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:05,920
solve the ufo mystery kevin randall can

2890
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:08,480
you dig it yes i can

2891
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:12,480
yes i can but you need 349

2892
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,040
and up to buy one and they've got one

2893
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:17,360
for 17 000.

2894
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:20,239
um oh my yeah i and i look at my house

2895
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,070
you have to keep updating your computer

2896
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,040
to stay alert i know that feeling five

2897
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:31,119
computers you know i feel out of

2898
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,000
sorts here we have two iphones

2899
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,920
one ipad which is a computer it's a

2900
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:37,760
personal computer but then you can say

2901
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:39,280
the same thing about iphones nowadays

2902
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:41,040
they are personal computers i have an

2903
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,400
old macbook pro and an imac see and i've

2904
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:46,800
got i've got an ipad i've actually got

2905
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,520
the computer that i took to iraq with me

2906
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,679
10 years ago and it's still working

2907
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:54,239
way to go sony and i've got i've got a

2908
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,239
i've got an old ibm computer you know an

2909
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:58,320
old power computer which has the

2910
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:02,000
computing power of virtually nothing

2911
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:04,480
today's iphone has about 10 times the

2912
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:07,679
computing power of an old ibm tower well

2913
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:09,119
we can go we can look at it from another

2914
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:11,440
way and back in star trek they had their

2915
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,040
stupid communicators and they didn't get

2916
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:15,040
a lot of information for my computer my

2917
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:17,679
iphone or actually my my smartphone is

2918
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:18,719
better

2919
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:20,320
than the star trek communicator i have

2920
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,520
the entire

2921
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,280
knowledge of the human race in the palm

2922
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,280
of my hand on my um

2923
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:27,520
on my smartphone but do you think with

2924
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,000
the smart watch the point is to get your

2925
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:32,000
information in a glance

2926
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,440
yeah and that's it that just kind of

2927
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:36,080
glanced at it supposedly it's a sleep

2928
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:37,760
until you raise your hand and sometimes

2929
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:38,960
it doesn't work you got to flick your

2930
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:40,800
hand they tell me and you look at it and

2931
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:42,639
you see your notice and then you can

2932
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,840
dismiss it get on with your business or

2933
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:47,520
if it requires your attention you give

2934
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:48,159
it

2935
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:51,840
increase ufo sightings i think our minds

2936
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:53,760
are elsewhere i don't think people care

2937
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,239
as much about ufos or the possibilities

2938
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:58,880
yet when you look at all the stories

2939
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:01,119
these days maybe there's liquid water

2940
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,560
under mars

2941
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:05,360
and on some of the moons of saturn

2942
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:08,239
and jupiter and maybe even on mercury

2943
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:11,679
and in 10 or 20 years we'll have proof

2944
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:14,239
of extraterrestrial life

2945
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:16,480
is that paving the way for a revelation

2946
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:18,800
that's here now or more importantly we

2947
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:20,400
just got the first color photographs of

2948
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:21,679
pluto

2949
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,600
today from the

2950
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:25,199
they just announced that it's not a

2951
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:26,639
really good photograph and it's blurry

2952
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:28,000
but my god it's the first color

2953
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,679
photographs of pluto

2954
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:32,159
i think i think if you find life

2955
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:35,440
regardless of whether it is now extinct

2956
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,560
or it is microscopic on mars

2957
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:40,960
you've proven that there would be

2958
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:42,560
extraterrestrial life and we've taken

2959
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,880
we've made it easier to accept the idea

2960
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,119
of alien visitation if you go back to

2961
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:50,159
the 60s when they were talking about

2962
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:51,520
project osma

2963
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:53,520
and you know factoring in

2964
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:55,280
life throughout the universe looking for

2965
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:58,480
the signals of other radio

2966
01:51:01,590 --> 01:50:59,920
civilizations

2967
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,600
and at that time we didn't know whether

2968
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:04,080
or not the the solar system was

2969
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,880
unique our solar system's rare or do

2970
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,440
all-stars have systems and and

2971
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:11,520
today we we know of what thousands of

2972
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:14,320
extra solar planets so we've taken a

2973
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:17,520
step closer to that by by demonstrating

2974
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:18,400
that

2975
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:20,880
our system is not unique or our system

2976
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:23,760
is not rare but it seems

2977
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:25,520
the majority of stars have some kind of

2978
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:27,760
planetary system around them so you've

2979
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:30,960
you've increased the likelihood and and

2980
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,800
as we move out and learn more things

2981
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:34,639
we're increasing the likelihood it

2982
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:36,560
becomes more believable

2983
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:38,960
more easily accepted that there's alien

2984
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:41,840
visitation as we learn more about the

2985
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,080
the solar system around us and the

2986
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:46,480
galaxy around us and the universe around

2987
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:47,280
us

2988
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,760
please notice how i i move from the

2989
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:52,159
smallest the solar system to the galaxy

2990
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:54,320
to the universe i did it in a logical

2991
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:55,520
progression

2992
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:57,119
yeah

2993
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:58,800
i just wanted to point that out

2994
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:01,119
it's a very good point and i i think i

2995
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:03,599
just read uh the last day or two

2996
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:06,880
a new estimate of how many planets uh

2997
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:09,199
are thought now to uh be in our galaxy

2998
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,639
alone and it's 40 billion planets

2999
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:14,400
they're estimating now or in the milky

3000
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:15,520
way uh

3001
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:18,159
just one galaxy out of

3002
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:20,239
billions of galaxies so we don't even

3003
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:22,159
know we don't even know how many planets

3004
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:25,440
are in our own solar system yes

3005
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,360
explain that more to our listeners

3006
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,520
because that gets to be kind of murky

3007
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,239
because we have dwarf planets are they

3008
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:34,080
when i was growing up we had nine

3009
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:37,199
planets yeah but that was like 1830

3010
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:39,679
no in 1830 we had we had like eight

3011
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:40,880
planets

3012
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,800
okay i'm kidding and then they

3013
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:45,040
discovered more and at one point i think

3014
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,560
we had 12

3015
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,920
but then they discovered some of the

3016
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:50,159
asteroids were just really not planets

3017
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:52,639
and then we we finally settled after

3018
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:55,119
after tombaugh discovered pluto we

3019
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:56,800
settled on nine

3020
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,599
then what's his face tyson decided pluto

3021
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:01,679
didn't deserve to be a planet

3022
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:03,280
so we created dwarf planets and we're

3023
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:04,560
back to eight

3024
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:07,280
but now there's talk about if you go to

3025
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:08,719
what um

3026
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:10,719
kuiper belt the kuiper belt

3027
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,000
trans neptune objects you go to that

3028
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:15,760
they're talking about there being one or

3029
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:16,960
two or three

3030
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:18,560
uh planets out there that may be as

3031
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:21,199
large as mars or earth or even larger so

3032
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,119
there may be there may be planets we

3033
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:25,440
haven't discovered circulating the sun

3034
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:27,520
out in the kuiper belt that are so far

3035
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:28,800
away

3036
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,599
that

3037
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:31,119
they might as well be in another solar

3038
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:34,000
system yeah it's it's a big universe out

3039
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:35,280
there and

3040
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:37,040
like you pointed out we don't even

3041
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,360
really know the full extent of what

3042
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:42,080
exists in our own solar system here so

3043
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:45,360
it's uh i i think it's gonna it's gonna

3044
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,560
as as science uh takes leaps and bounds

3045
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:50,880
forward and the technology and our

3046
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,520
capabilities to utilize that technology

3047
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:55,760
becomes more sophisticated uh

3048
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:58,400
it's it's amazing what uh humans uh when

3049
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,000
they set their mind to it what they can

3050
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:02,080
discover and determine about about the

3051
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:04,000
reality that we're all existing within

3052
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,880
so

3053
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:06,960
you know i think science is on the right

3054
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:09,840
track in many ways but then you look at

3055
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:12,080
a program like seti which is uh trying

3056
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:14,320
to find out if there's radio stations

3057
01:54:19,910 --> 01:54:17,280
being uh broadcast uh out there by e.t

3058
01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:19,920
you have to scratch your head and wonder

3059
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:21,920
if maybe they're uh isn't that 20th

3060
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:24,560
century technology guys

3061
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:26,000
shouldn't be looking a little bit more

3062
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:28,159
advanced than that

3063
01:54:31,750 --> 01:54:30,080
what if the civilizations what if they

3064
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:31,760
are telepathic and they never invented

3065
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:34,560
radio well maybe cousin brucie who is

3066
01:54:40,470 --> 01:54:37,040
still alive and still doing radio shows

3067
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:40,480
is really from tau city well all i'll

3068
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:42,239
say about that is can you get him off

3069
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,760
the serious radio because every time i

3070
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:45,199
see he seems like every time i turn it

3071
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:46,960
on he's blabbing about something i want

3072
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:49,040
to listen to music not cousin bruce

3073
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,440
reminiscing about the good old days

3074
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:53,599
uh he just seems to go on and on

3075
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:55,119
incoherently

3076
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:57,520
this is on serious channel six that's

3077
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,199
60s music

3078
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,760
it's not only not unlike us now

3079
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:03,840
and you've got of course peter noon

3080
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:06,560
ammon of herman's hermits and he does a

3081
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:08,080
pretty good show he tells really good

3082
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:10,719
stories and has a this

3083
01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:13,119
pleasant charisma so it's fun to listen

3084
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:16,159
to but cousin brucie just grows on and

3085
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:17,599
on and on

3086
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:18,960
let's talk about

3087
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,920
the gradual acceptance i see here of

3088
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:23,679
life in outer space

3089
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:25,440
would that be another way and it's a

3090
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:27,119
conspiracy theory

3091
01:55:32,229 --> 01:55:29,599
to ultimately admit that yeah

3092
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:32,239
we're being visited right now i think if

3093
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:34,880
you if you demonstrate the feasibility

3094
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:38,400
of of life on other planets you make the

3095
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,719
case for alien visitation that much

3096
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:42,880
easier doesn't prove that there's alien

3097
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:45,040
visitation doesn't prove that that

3098
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,719
technology is going to be able to

3099
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:49,199
overcome the vast distances among the

3100
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,199
various stars and when you start talk

3101
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:53,199
about galaxies i mean what the nearest

3102
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:55,840
galaxy is what 2.5 million light years

3103
01:55:58,830 --> 01:55:56,719
away

3104
01:56:02,229 --> 01:55:58,840
i mean that's a long time to be

3105
01:56:03,990 --> 01:56:02,239
traveling warp drive or stargates

3106
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:04,000
but that's only operating inside our own

3107
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:06,239
solar our own galaxy it's not getting us

3108
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:09,040
to other galaxies well i gather with

3109
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:12,239
stargate they went between galaxies

3110
01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:14,400
you just gotta love sci-fi

3111
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:15,760
i'm not gonna argue with the point

3112
01:56:20,470 --> 01:56:18,719
because we're all a fan of of of

3113
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:20,480
stargate yeah

3114
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:26,470
when you look at

3115
01:56:31,510 --> 01:56:29,040
evidence that this life developing

3116
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,520
on other worlds and other ways even if

3117
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:33,440
it's inside our own solar system

3118
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:35,440
you've you've opened the door to life

3119
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:37,440
developing on planets in other solar

3120
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:39,840
systems and it makes the acceptance of

3121
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:42,480
the idea a little easier than when we

3122
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:44,080
when we look at earth and say

3123
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:47,119
life is unique to earth

3124
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:48,639
and we don't see evidences of it

3125
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,840
elsewhere if we see evidence of

3126
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:51,840
elsewhere that makes it easier to accept

3127
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:53,440
that idea

3128
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:56,159
but is that deliberate or just that's

3129
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:57,280
what happens

3130
01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:00,800
don't think there's anything deliberate

3131
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:03,040
about it i think if you take a look at

3132
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:05,520
the attitudes of people today as opposed

3133
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:08,400
to people in the 1960s i mean if you

3134
01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:11,520
look at um the science fiction of the

3135
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:13,920
1960s they're just talking about

3136
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:15,520
you know the first the first people on

3137
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:16,239
mu

3138
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:17,440
getting to the moon or if you look at

3139
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:19,440
what forbidden planet in the narration

3140
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,920
that begins that movie they say that

3141
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:23,520
that we reached the moon at the end of

3142
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:26,239
the 21st century you know let's go into

3143
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:27,280
more of this

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3250
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is forbidden planet when leslie nielsen

3251
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:06,159
was a serious actor and that was

3252
02:02:11,750 --> 02:02:09,040
interesting i remember that and this was

3253
02:02:14,629 --> 02:02:11,760
really 1956

3254
02:02:16,390 --> 02:02:14,639
and the 60s we already have the promise

3255
02:02:17,189 --> 02:02:16,400
of landing a man

3256
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:17,199
or

3257
02:02:26,550 --> 02:02:24,000
planet they you know they mentioned the

3258
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:26,560
end of the 21st century but 13 years

3259
02:02:28,390 --> 02:02:27,440
later

3260
02:02:29,990 --> 02:02:28,400
from the

3261
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:30,000
you know release of the movie we've got

3262
02:02:33,189 --> 02:02:31,679
people on the moon

3263
02:02:35,270 --> 02:02:33,199
and we put

3264
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:35,280
if if we really wanted to get dedicate

3265
02:02:39,430 --> 02:02:36,560
the resources to it we could have put

3266
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:39,440
people on mars 20 years ago

3267
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:40,400
but

3268
02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:42,080
the point simply is

3269
02:02:44,390 --> 02:02:43,520
that

3270
02:02:47,910 --> 02:02:44,400
as

3271
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:47,920
our science evolves and our science

3272
02:02:51,750 --> 02:02:50,159
fiction evolves in the same direction it

3273
02:02:54,709 --> 02:02:51,760
makes the exception of some of these

3274
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:54,719
ideas simpler so i think the people who

3275
02:02:58,709 --> 02:02:56,080
grew up

3276
02:03:02,070 --> 02:02:58,719
in the last 20 years are more accepting

3277
02:03:04,070 --> 02:03:02,080
of the idea of alien life forms than the

3278
02:03:05,109 --> 02:03:04,080
people in the 50s or the 40s were

3279
02:03:06,950 --> 02:03:05,119
because of

3280
02:03:08,470 --> 02:03:06,960
of what our how our knowledge is

3281
02:03:11,750 --> 02:03:08,480
expanded

3282
02:03:14,709 --> 02:03:11,760
does the presence of ufos give us

3283
02:03:17,669 --> 02:03:14,719
the vision for a future where

3284
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:17,679
humans are space-faring people

3285
02:03:21,350 --> 02:03:20,400
if we're getting visited by aliens yeah

3286
02:03:23,030 --> 02:03:21,360
certainly

3287
02:03:26,229 --> 02:03:23,040
whatever the cause

3288
02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:26,239
but the mere presence gives you that

3289
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:27,920
feeling though something is possible

3290
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:29,440
it's much easier for you to do it than

3291
02:03:31,990 --> 02:03:30,880
if you think it's impossible because you

3292
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:32,000
then if you think it's impossible you

3293
02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:33,280
don't even try

3294
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:34,960
but if you think it's possible you find

3295
02:03:38,310 --> 02:03:37,440
out a way to do it i think that if we're

3296
02:03:40,229 --> 02:03:38,320
you know

3297
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,239
there's alien visitation well obviously

3298
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:42,880
interstellar travel is possible

3299
02:03:45,750 --> 02:03:44,239
now all we have to do is figure out how

3300
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:45,760
to do it as opposed to saying well it's

3301
02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:47,599
impossible we're not even going to even

3302
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,760
try to do it

3303
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:51,679
and we've actually come up with ways of

3304
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:54,000
doing interstellar travel but it

3305
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:56,400
it it's not beyond the speed of light

3306
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:57,360
you know the speed of light is the

3307
02:04:02,470 --> 02:03:59,599
limiting factor as far as we know

3308
02:04:04,470 --> 02:04:02,480
and so if you if you take off for the

3309
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:04,480
nearest star system which is four light

3310
02:04:08,070 --> 02:04:05,920
years away

3311
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:08,080
it could take you literally hundreds of

3312
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:09,679
years to get there

3313
02:04:13,910 --> 02:04:11,760
given our current technology

3314
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:13,920
but if we figure out the way to either

3315
02:04:17,350 --> 02:04:15,920
short-circuit the distances or a way of

3316
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:17,360
traveling faster than the speed of light

3317
02:04:21,189 --> 02:04:19,040
then we change we change the whole

3318
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:21,199
dynamic but if you and if you've got

3319
02:04:25,589 --> 02:04:23,920
people or alien creatures coming here

3320
02:04:27,189 --> 02:04:25,599
and you look at it

3321
02:04:28,709 --> 02:04:27,199
you say well interstellar flight is

3322
02:04:30,229 --> 02:04:28,719
possible

3323
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,239
how can they be doing that and you start

3324
02:04:34,229 --> 02:04:32,480
looking for ways to doing it rather than

3325
02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:34,239
saying well it's impossible so we're not

3326
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:35,679
even going to try

3327
02:04:40,709 --> 02:04:38,320
doesn't then the existence of ufos

3328
02:04:42,709 --> 02:04:40,719
inspire the imagination if you take it

3329
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:42,719
the least bit seriously

3330
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,320
i would think so and i would think seti

3331
02:04:48,790 --> 02:04:46,560
would want to look at at it

3332
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:48,800
you know you know you said

3333
02:04:51,430 --> 02:04:50,000
the search for extraterrestrial

3334
02:04:53,189 --> 02:04:51,440
intelligence well yeah if they're coming

3335
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:53,199
here you found them guys

3336
02:04:57,270 --> 02:04:55,360
now let's figure out something else but

3337
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:57,280
the city won't even look at the ufos

3338
02:05:00,950 --> 02:04:58,480
they want they want nothing to do with

3339
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:00,960
ufos nasa you would think nasa would be

3340
02:05:05,109 --> 02:05:03,520
excited about ufos but

3341
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:05,119
nasa i think was the clinton

3342
02:05:08,470 --> 02:05:06,880
administration tried to get nasa to

3343
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:08,480
investigate ufos they didn't want to get

3344
02:05:12,070 --> 02:05:09,840
anywhere near it

3345
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,080
and i think part of the problem is what

3346
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:14,320
we have done inside the ufo community

3347
02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:16,639
and when i say we i'm thinking of of all

3348
02:05:20,070 --> 02:05:19,040
the things from the contactees to

3349
02:05:21,910 --> 02:05:20,080
all the hoaxes that have been

3350
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:21,920
perpetrated and all of that sort of

3351
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:24,480
nonsense that goes on to the legitimate

3352
02:05:29,030 --> 02:05:26,719
look at ufos you look at the condom

3353
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:29,040
committee and their job was to end the

3354
02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:31,119
air force investigation it wasn't to

3355
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:33,040
investigate flying saucers it wasn't to

3356
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:34,639
find out what was going on it was to end

3357
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:36,560
the air force participation

3358
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:39,360
in ufo investigations which they did and

3359
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:40,960
you still have scientists pointing it to

3360
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:42,320
it today saying you know well the comedy

3361
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:43,599
committee showed there was nothing to it

3362
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:45,599
well no they really didn't show that

3363
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:46,800
they showed it was not a threat to

3364
02:05:50,070 --> 02:05:48,400
national security and the air force

3365
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:50,080
shouldn't be investigating them and that

3366
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:52,400
was it and and 30 percent of the cases

3367
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:53,840
were never solved

3368
02:05:57,669 --> 02:05:56,560
so you know you've got all of that stuff

3369
02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:57,679
going on

3370
02:06:01,189 --> 02:06:00,000
but is there any way at this point to

3371
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:01,199
convince

3372
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:02,880
traditional science to really look at

3373
02:06:07,430 --> 02:06:05,599
this thing or is it just a bunch of

3374
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:07,440
crazy people like me and i won't say

3375
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:09,840
that you are among those crazy people

3376
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:12,000
kevin randle who continue to look into

3377
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:13,280
the subject

3378
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:16,239
i interviewed james a van allen about

3379
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:17,599
ufos

3380
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:20,080
in the night late 1970s i think it was

3381
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,639
and he was so confident of his place in

3382
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:24,480
the scientific community

3383
02:06:29,189 --> 02:06:27,280
that he would talk seriously about ufos

3384
02:06:31,589 --> 02:06:29,199
without fear of retribution

3385
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:31,599
and i think his point was

3386
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:33,920
that we needed to

3387
02:06:39,030 --> 02:06:36,960
upscale the level of investigation we

3388
02:06:40,470 --> 02:06:39,040
needed to become more professional in

3389
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:40,480
our work

3390
02:06:44,629 --> 02:06:43,040
about ufos to be accepted by the

3391
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:44,639
scientific community

3392
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:47,280
now some 15 years ago i tried to start

3393
02:06:51,589 --> 02:06:48,719
at least some of that

3394
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:51,599
with with uh looking at peer review

3395
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:53,679
as a way of doing it and i did a long

3396
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:55,199
paper on

3397
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,480
the mantel case the air guard pilot who

3398
02:07:03,030 --> 02:07:00,480
was killed chasing a flying saucer in

3399
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:03,040
1948 well actually chasing a balloon in

3400
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:05,280
1948 but that's another story but i

3401
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:07,520
looked at that and i put together a long

3402
02:07:11,030 --> 02:07:09,520
paper as a kind of a model of how i

3403
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:11,040
would think this would do

3404
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:12,400
and then

3405
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:14,719
ask for comments

3406
02:07:20,229 --> 02:07:17,920
to update change manipulate

3407
02:07:22,069 --> 02:07:20,239
criticize whatever got very few

3408
02:07:25,109 --> 02:07:22,079
responses

3409
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:25,119
to that but i i thought that was what we

3410
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:27,360
needed to do was start preparing that

3411
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:30,079
sort of documentation

3412
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:32,400
if you go back and you look at the idea

3413
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,679
of meteors

3414
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:35,360
you know rocks from the sky and they say

3415
02:07:39,589 --> 02:07:37,520
well in 1803 the french academy of

3416
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:39,599
scientists rejected the idea of rocks

3417
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,520
from the sky but two years later they

3418
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:43,679
accepted it and why did they accept it

3419
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:45,119
is because

3420
02:07:48,709 --> 02:07:46,639
someone presented them with the

3421
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,719
scientific evidence of a rock fall from

3422
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:51,119
the sky including eyewitness testimony

3423
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:52,800
which of course in today's world we just

3424
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:55,119
ignore completely they had they had

3425
02:08:00,229 --> 02:07:58,079
rocks that did not fit into the

3426
02:08:01,910 --> 02:08:00,239
the the strata of the area where they

3427
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:01,920
were found because there had been a

3428
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,079
geological survey coincidentally like

3429
02:08:10,229 --> 02:08:06,639
two years before so they knew what was

3430
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:10,239
what the um the rock the geology of the

3431
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:11,840
area was

3432
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:13,599
he had the samples and all of that and

3433
02:08:16,629 --> 02:08:15,360
he presented his paper to the french

3434
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:16,639
academy of scientists and they said well

3435
02:08:19,030 --> 02:08:18,159
yeah apparently rocks do fall from the

3436
02:08:21,350 --> 02:08:19,040
sky

3437
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,360
and we in the ufo community

3438
02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:24,159
have too often been writing stuff

3439
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:26,639
for the popular press you want to sell

3440
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:27,760
books

3441
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:29,760
you have to embrace

3442
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,239
the idea of alien visitation you cannot

3443
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:34,719
suggest solutions to

3444
02:08:38,069 --> 02:08:36,320
sightings regardless of what the

3445
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:38,079
sighting is and how legitimate that

3446
02:08:41,990 --> 02:08:39,520
solution might be

3447
02:08:43,990 --> 02:08:42,000
and so you you you get a biased account

3448
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:44,000
of what's going on and i think if what

3449
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:45,599
we need to do

3450
02:08:50,229 --> 02:08:48,560
is document some of this stuff much more

3451
02:08:52,149 --> 02:08:50,239
carefully which is one of the points of

3452
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:52,159
the the ultimate roswell book was does

3453
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:54,239
that document everything here is where

3454
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:56,719
this information came from here is the

3455
02:09:01,270 --> 02:08:59,520
original source of this information as

3456
02:09:03,830 --> 02:09:01,280
opposed as well this is what my brother

3457
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:03,840
told me two weeks ago type thing and we

3458
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:06,079
too often do not do that there have been

3459
02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:08,320
attempts to do that um

3460
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:11,040
ted phillips with his catalog of landing

3461
02:09:15,750 --> 02:09:13,920
trace cases for example is is is one of

3462
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:15,760
those things mark rodinger put together

3463
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:20,159
a a book about electromagnetic effects

3464
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:22,400
and installing of car engines and i went

3465
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:23,760
through that and i discovered a fact

3466
02:09:27,430 --> 02:09:25,679
that nobody nobody really had talked

3467
02:09:29,189 --> 02:09:27,440
about which is you know they say well

3468
02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:29,199
installed my car engine the content

3469
02:09:31,990 --> 02:09:30,719
committee says but there's no mechanism

3470
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:32,000
for the car engine to start

3471
02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:34,880
spontaneously after it's been stopped by

3472
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:37,199
an electromagnetic field for example and

3473
02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:39,199
i went back through the book and almost

3474
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:41,760
all of the cases they said they said the

3475
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:44,800
car started normally again oh they made

3476
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:46,480
they took some action to start the car

3477
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:48,000
it wasn't that it spontaneously

3478
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:50,000
restarted but the driver took some

3479
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:51,520
action said the car started normally

3480
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:54,159
again and almost every one of the cases

3481
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:56,079
they did some action that started the

3482
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:58,800
car so that condom committee criticism

3483
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:00,719
of the electromagnetic fix was not

3484
02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:03,040
legitimate because they

3485
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:05,040
like the rest of us seem to think that

3486
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:05,920
when the

3487
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:08,400
ufo left the car would restart itself

3488
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:10,639
the lights would come back on the radio

3489
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:13,040
would come on but to get the car started

3490
02:10:17,350 --> 02:10:15,119
you had to take some action and that

3491
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:17,360
wasn't always reported properly in the

3492
02:10:21,589 --> 02:10:19,280
in the documentation we have kevin

3493
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:21,599
randle with gene and chris you're in the

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hi this is nuclear physicist lecturer

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stanton friedman you are listening to

3592
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the parrot cast the gold standard of

3593
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paranormal radio

3594
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,560
[Music]

3595
02:15:02,069 --> 02:15:00,400
so the action kevin randle you'd have to

3596
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:02,079
take would be

3597
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:04,719
start the car again turn the key you had

3598
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:05,920
to start the car

3599
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:09,760
okay so yes because the power is on

3600
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,760
your air conditioner might go on and

3601
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:13,360
those days of course you didn't have air

3602
02:15:17,990 --> 02:15:15,440
conditioners in cars or the radio would

3603
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:18,000
come on but physically starting the car

3604
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:19,920
you started the car i went to all the

3605
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:22,639
cases in mark's book and and some others

3606
02:15:27,189 --> 02:15:26,239
that i'd found uh in other other sources

3607
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:27,199
and there's something you could have

3608
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:28,480
done you know anybody could have done

3609
02:15:31,510 --> 02:15:29,760
today

3610
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:31,520
and looked at it to see

3611
02:15:35,430 --> 02:15:34,239
exactly what was said and an awful lot

3612
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:35,440
of the times

3613
02:15:39,430 --> 02:15:37,840
the driver started the car engine he had

3614
02:15:41,109 --> 02:15:39,440
to turn the key or he had to push the

3615
02:15:43,669 --> 02:15:41,119
starter button he had to take some

3616
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,679
action to start the car it did not

3617
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:45,599
start spontaneously

3618
02:15:49,589 --> 02:15:48,079
and i think that's an important point

3619
02:15:51,750 --> 02:15:49,599
when you're looking at the ufo field

3620
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:51,760
because you know the the scientific

3621
02:15:55,350 --> 02:15:53,599
community rejected the idea of the car

3622
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:55,360
starting spontaneously

3623
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:58,159
and that is kind of a misconception

3624
02:16:01,669 --> 02:15:59,840
based on the way some of this stuff was

3625
02:16:03,510 --> 02:16:01,679
was written and if you looked at it

3626
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:03,520
closely you discovered that they were

3627
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:05,440
actually starting the car the car the

3628
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:07,199
radio came back on the lights came back

3629
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:09,599
on and the car started normally that's

3630
02:16:12,629 --> 02:16:11,360
one of the things we could you know we

3631
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:12,639
could look at but i mean mark did a

3632
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:14,320
wonderful survey of that sort of thing

3633
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:17,119
as a subset of the ufo field and by

3634
02:16:20,310 --> 02:16:18,639
using that resource and a number of

3635
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:20,320
others i was able to discover that one

3636
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:22,800
little sort of inconsequential fact yeah

3637
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:24,159
it's significant

3638
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:27,280
and reported to hear on the paracast

3639
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:29,360
you see that's the way to go dodge your

3640
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:31,679
eyes and cross your t's folks one one is

3641
02:16:35,990 --> 02:16:34,080
reminded of that uh funny scene of

3642
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:36,000
richard dreyfuss in the truck in close

3643
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:38,240
encounters when the his flashlight comes

3644
02:16:46,870 --> 02:16:45,110
i always love that making the devil's

3645
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:46,880
tower out of his mashed potatoes but

3646
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:48,880
that's just me

3647
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,639
i'd like to be able to eat those mashed

3648
02:16:54,870 --> 02:16:52,319
potatoes and see what makes you want to

3649
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:56,629
well you know since we were talking a

3650
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:58,240
little bit about science fiction now

3651
02:17:02,270 --> 02:17:00,399
here's a question from someone who has

3652
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:02,280
been a poster at uh

3653
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:05,519
form.theparacast.com since 2009

3654
02:17:09,910 --> 02:17:07,679
and kevin this is a testament to your

3655
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:09,920
drawing power here he's only posted 10

3656
02:17:13,589 --> 02:17:12,000
times in all that time he has an

3657
02:17:15,910 --> 02:17:13,599
interesting question here and this is

3658
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:15,920
something i didn't know he says kevin

3659
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:17,439
has written a lot of science fiction

3660
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:18,399
novels

3661
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:20,240
what are his first three steps in

3662
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:22,479
creating a new sci-fi novel i didn't

3663
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:24,000
know that you wrote science fiction

3664
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:27,200
novels yes yes i do i didn't know that

3665
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:28,880
you haven't listened to stan friedman

3666
02:17:33,190 --> 02:17:30,479
complaining randall writes science

3667
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:33,200
fiction therefore he cannot be believed

3668
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:34,800
oh boy well you see i write science

3669
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:37,280
fiction too so i'm really

3670
02:17:41,509 --> 02:17:40,000
in the dog house here i am a lifetime

3671
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:41,519
member of the science fiction writers of

3672
02:17:45,429 --> 02:17:43,599
america well there you go so so what are

3673
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:45,439
your first three steps in creating a new

3674
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:48,319
sci-fi novel or a plot or coming up with

3675
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:50,800
a a unique idea that you can base a book

3676
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:51,439
on

3677
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:54,479
remember the alamo where we send time

3678
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:56,319
travelers back to win the battle of the

3679
02:18:00,150 --> 02:17:58,319
alamo this came to me in a dream i

3680
02:18:01,990 --> 02:18:00,160
dreamed i was sitting in an

3681
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:02,000
office with an editor wanting to do a

3682
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:04,160
book about prime travelers going back to

3683
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:06,319
the alamo and the editor said but only

3684
02:18:11,110 --> 02:18:08,639
if there's mexican time travelers too

3685
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:11,120
and so out of that what whoa

3686
02:18:14,790 --> 02:18:13,120
but only if there's mexican time

3687
02:18:16,709 --> 02:18:14,800
travelers two

3688
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:16,719
also not only american time travelers

3689
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:18,719
but mexican time travelers what about

3690
02:18:23,509 --> 02:18:20,800
russian what about british they weren't

3691
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:23,519
at the alamo yeah they

3692
02:18:27,830 --> 02:18:25,439
okay so it's the alamo okay fine yeah

3693
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:27,840
it's the animal so i mean mexicans and

3694
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,359
mexicans you know

3695
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:30,880
but but when the book was written there

3696
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:33,599
were no mexican time travelers in it but

3697
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:35,920
there is another force at work there

3698
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:37,840
but but i mean that was that was one of

3699
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:38,800
them uh

3700
02:18:43,589 --> 02:18:41,040
one of the one of the books came about

3701
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:43,599
because an editor asked me a question

3702
02:18:48,150 --> 02:18:46,080
and i said i can do that time travel has

3703
02:18:49,589 --> 02:18:48,160
always fascinated me so i've looked at a

3704
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:49,599
lot of different time travel stuff i did

3705
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:51,599
a book which you could you can it's an

3706
02:18:57,429 --> 02:18:55,040
e-book you can go buy it cheap on on uh

3707
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:57,439
amazon uh called on the second tuesday

3708
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:58,719
of next week

3709
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:01,679
where the there are actually two

3710
02:19:05,429 --> 02:19:03,280
groups

3711
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:05,439
fighting a big battle out near pluto and

3712
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:07,040
kind of based on the battle of midway

3713
02:19:09,750 --> 02:19:08,080
and

3714
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:09,760
the earth forces win the battle which

3715
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:11,200
they shouldn't have done because the bad

3716
02:19:14,070 --> 02:19:13,200
guys were so superior

3717
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:14,080
and

3718
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:15,599
then

3719
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:17,760
the the guys who are out traveling in

3720
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:22,709
and they discover we've now lost that

3721
02:19:26,469 --> 02:19:23,760
battle and they're trying to figure out

3722
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:26,479
what happened we won one we won when i

3723
02:19:30,549 --> 02:19:28,880
left and and of course what they what

3724
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,559
they learn is their

3725
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:33,040
the mechanism of traveling interstellar

3726
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,719
distances is also

3727
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:36,479
one of the ways of traveling through

3728
02:19:40,629 --> 02:19:38,000
time and it kind of protected them from

3729
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:40,639
the change the bad guys made and so it's

3730
02:19:45,030 --> 02:19:42,559
trying to figure out where can we make a

3731
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:45,040
change that the bad guys can't reverse

3732
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,800
and so you go through the whole book

3733
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:48,240
trying to figure out who's going to end

3734
02:19:52,469 --> 02:19:50,800
up winning this thing because they

3735
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:52,479
keep going back to change change the

3736
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:54,479
outcome of this battle

3737
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:55,920
and it's called on the second tuesday of

3738
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:57,520
next week and it came about because that

3739
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:59,760
was kind of a phrase we used in college

3740
02:20:02,070 --> 02:20:00,720
when are you going to get this done well

3741
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:02,080
how about the second tuesday of next

3742
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:03,120
week

3743
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:06,720
um so it kind of evolved out of that

3744
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:08,160
um

3745
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:12,800
and well one of the books we did was

3746
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:14,560
called seeds of war i did it with bob

3747
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:15,600
cornett

3748
02:20:20,070 --> 02:20:18,000
and we wanted to we wanted to write a

3749
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:20,080
science fiction novel

3750
02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:21,760
you know a military-oriented science

3751
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:24,800
fiction novel with with a a big

3752
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:27,120
big military component to it

3753
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:29,359
and we started using the gulf of tonkin

3754
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,720
speech

3755
02:20:35,830 --> 02:20:33,520
only we modified it to encompass the bad

3756
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,840
guys blowing up one of our space probes

3757
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:38,240
in space and we we create this

3758
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:40,560
retribution fleet to go take care of

3759
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:42,800
care of them for that that audacity but

3760
02:20:47,590 --> 02:20:45,280
we use we modeled it after the um

3761
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:47,600
johnson speech after the gulf of tonkin

3762
02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:49,200
and we just had to change a couple of

3763
02:20:52,790 --> 02:20:50,880
words here and there

3764
02:20:54,550 --> 02:20:52,800
you know instead of instead of in in

3765
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:54,560
international waters to you know free

3766
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:57,120
space and things like that so it came it

3767
02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:59,280
evolved out of that yeah that's that's a

3768
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:01,200
good that's a good approach

3769
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:03,600
so so you know we just i i know when we

3770
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:05,120
go to when we went to science fiction

3771
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:06,240
conventions people would say well where

3772
02:21:10,469 --> 02:21:08,160
do you get your ideas and we always had

3773
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:10,479
flip answers for it but if the ideas are

3774
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:13,520
just there i had a notebook

3775
02:21:17,910 --> 02:21:16,080
good lord 40 years ago and as i was

3776
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:17,920
writing magazine articles and stuff and

3777
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:20,479
i had i wrote down three ideas i had to

3778
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:22,319
write in the future so i'd know what i

3779
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:24,000
was going to do next i don't think i

3780
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:25,600
ever wrote those three articles every

3781
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:28,240
something's always come up and

3782
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:29,680
i've gone in different directions but

3783
02:21:33,429 --> 02:21:31,200
the science fiction

3784
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:33,439
stories

3785
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:34,399
um

3786
02:21:38,550 --> 02:21:37,439
it just it just really

3787
02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:38,560
something will trigger you'll see

3788
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:40,000
something on television you'll hear

3789
02:21:42,230 --> 02:21:41,439
something you'll you'll see something

3790
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:42,240
else

3791
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:44,240
um i know when we were doing the alamo

3792
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:45,200
book

3793
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:47,840
the um movie the final countdown had

3794
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:49,040
come out

3795
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:51,920
and you go to the movie and the the the

3796
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,800
preview showed the modern aircraft

3797
02:21:58,550 --> 02:21:56,479
carrier fighting the japanese fleet

3798
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:58,560
attacking pearl harbor you think this is

3799
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:59,840
going to be really cool when you get to

3800
02:22:03,270 --> 02:22:01,280
the movie and

3801
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:03,280
it ends up that there's only a couple of

3802
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:04,960
dog fights with the modern fighters

3803
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:06,399
against the japanese and it's really

3804
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:08,560
just you left you're left with something

3805
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:09,920
that you

3806
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:12,240
you know you wanted to see more so i

3807
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:13,680
went back and i rewrote one of the

3808
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:16,080
scenes from the alamo book to bring the

3809
02:22:20,309 --> 02:22:18,240
modern weapons to play against the

3810
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,319
mexican army as they were attacking the

3811
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:22,720
alamo and uh

3812
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:24,080
because that's what i wanted to see in

3813
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:26,080
the movie so we put a scene in the book

3814
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:27,600
that was just like that to show how the

3815
02:22:30,550 --> 02:22:28,880
modern army

3816
02:22:32,070 --> 02:22:30,560
modern weapons

3817
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:32,080
would really break up a human wave

3818
02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:33,200
attack

3819
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,920
uh and that sort of thing

3820
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:37,680
then there was one scene where they're

3821
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:39,280
they're shooting at the mexican officers

3822
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:40,640
and they're like a thousand yards away

3823
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:42,000
and they're using their their sniper

3824
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:43,920
rifles and one of the one of the texans

3825
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:45,200
says you know you can't hit anything at

3826
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:47,439
that range and say well we can

3827
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,960
because they're using a modern sniper

3828
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:50,960
rifle so they've got the reigns to try

3829
02:22:55,990 --> 02:22:52,960
to take out the officers is a long long

3830
02:22:58,389 --> 02:22:56,000
distance so you know it's just the ideas

3831
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are out there they just

3832
02:23:02,230 --> 02:22:59,680
it's

3833
02:23:03,510 --> 02:23:02,240
amazing i uh i did a book

3834
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which i think people actually kind of

3835
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:05,200
like called generation ship which was

3836
02:23:09,429 --> 02:23:06,720
the idea of what if you have this

3837
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enclosed society traveling from earth to

3838
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another star system but they can't

3839
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travel

3840
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:14,800
beyond the speed of light so you you

3841
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:15,840
have this

3842
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:16,960
um

3843
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:19,760
field environment and how do the people

3844
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react to the sealed environment and how

3845
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:24,000
do they get along and

3846
02:23:27,510 --> 02:23:25,120
and

3847
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,520
how do you maintain everything in the

3848
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:29,359
status quo because

3849
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,280
you're not going to get help from earth

3850
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:33,280
if you run out of food you're pretty

3851
02:23:36,550 --> 02:23:35,120
well screwed you've got to recycle

3852
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everything you've got to you've got to

3853
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get along with the people other people

3854
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on the ship

3855
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:41,840
and that sort of thing so it just comes

3856
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it it's like that well i had another

3857
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dream too that i did a book called the

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asteroid which you can get on on

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uh as a kindle book and it's and it came

3861
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to me in a dream and it just sort of

3862
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expanded out of there so sometimes i

3863
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dream the things up sometimes it's just

3864
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something in the air around me that

3865
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sees an idea uh sometimes it it's um

3866
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somebody suggests can you do something

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like this

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with you know here's a contract can you

3869
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do something like this and yes i can do

3870
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something like that so it's just all

3871
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kinds of ways we have a way to break

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it's done this way we have kevin randall

3873
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a little right a little left but always

3875
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independent-minded the genesis

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attack of the rockoids has been well

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3881
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a former u s military intelligence

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officer is haunted by intense dreams

3883
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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

3884
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3886
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thrust him into a telepathic love affair

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3978
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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

3979
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all right time travel science fiction

3980
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:03,840
kevin randle

3981
02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:06,399
we see a lot of that we have tv shows

3982
02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:08,880
like continuum a canadian series on

3983
02:29:14,469 --> 02:29:11,760
sci-fi channel that plays around with

3984
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:14,479
time travel we now have the tv series

3985
02:29:18,309 --> 02:29:16,319
about the superhero the flash where he

3986
02:29:20,710 --> 02:29:18,319
goes back through time they've got a

3987
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:20,720
reverse flash who comes from the future

3988
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:23,840
so monkeys 12 monkeys

3989
02:29:27,670 --> 02:29:26,080
going into its second season on a sci-fi

3990
02:29:28,870 --> 02:29:27,680
channel that just wrapped up the first

3991
02:29:31,349 --> 02:29:28,880
season

3992
02:29:32,950 --> 02:29:31,359
okay now you haven't even managed game

3993
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:32,960
of thrones oh wait that's not science

3994
02:29:36,870 --> 02:29:35,280
fiction that's fantastic sorry

3995
02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:36,880
but the point being

3996
02:29:39,990 --> 02:29:38,800
in the real world as much as there's a

3997
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:40,000
real world

3998
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:42,240
there possibility here that ufos are

3999
02:29:45,910 --> 02:29:43,359
visitors

4000
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:45,920
from our future people have asked me

4001
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:49,200
that frequently and i always say

4002
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:50,960
i think it's unlikely

4003
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:52,080
i think if you're looking at the

4004
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:53,760
possibilities of

4005
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:56,000
what we're experiencing i think the most

4006
02:30:00,469 --> 02:29:58,399
likely plausible explanation is alien

4007
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:00,479
visitation there's interdimensional

4008
02:30:04,389 --> 02:30:02,640
beings there's time travelers from our

4009
02:30:06,469 --> 02:30:04,399
future and i actually did a science

4010
02:30:08,070 --> 02:30:06,479
fiction story about that um and one of

4011
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:08,080
the guys actually left a guidebook

4012
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:09,200
behind

4013
02:30:12,550 --> 02:30:11,280
and it was found in a collection of

4014
02:30:14,630 --> 02:30:12,560
library books and they're looking at

4015
02:30:16,070 --> 02:30:14,640
this and here's stuff that's going on in

4016
02:30:17,670 --> 02:30:16,080
the 21st century whether you know the

4017
02:30:19,349 --> 02:30:17,680
time traveler should be looking at

4018
02:30:21,910 --> 02:30:19,359
things like that i think it's an

4019
02:30:23,670 --> 02:30:21,920
unlikely scenario but it's it's one of

4020
02:30:25,670 --> 02:30:23,680
those that you know if we're going if

4021
02:30:28,870 --> 02:30:25,680
we're going to look at this with an open

4022
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:28,880
mind we can't reject it out of hand and

4023
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:31,040
if we look at some of the scientific

4024
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:33,040
fraud going on now they are talking

4025
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:35,520
about the feasibility of time travel and

4026
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:37,120
we can say we're all time travelers

4027
02:30:40,710 --> 02:30:38,160
we're moving

4028
02:30:42,550 --> 02:30:40,720
at the same speed into the future it

4029
02:30:44,950 --> 02:30:42,560
just takes us a while to get there we do

4030
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:44,960
not have the capability to go back but

4031
02:30:51,349 --> 02:30:48,479
there are suggestions that that you know

4032
02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:51,359
time dilation is a form of time travel

4033
02:30:54,469 --> 02:30:52,640
you know as you move closer to the speed

4034
02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:54,479
of light time slows down for you so you

4035
02:30:58,710 --> 02:30:56,080
are sort of traveling through time it's

4036
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:58,720
just can you reverse the process so i

4037
02:31:03,110 --> 02:31:00,640
yeah it's a possibility but i think it's

4038
02:31:04,630 --> 02:31:03,120
a very unlikely possibility i think as i

4039
02:31:06,389 --> 02:31:04,640
said alien visitation i think is the

4040
02:31:09,110 --> 02:31:06,399
most likely possibility

4041
02:31:10,389 --> 02:31:09,120
interdimensional beings is a possibility

4042
02:31:12,469 --> 02:31:10,399
i think

4043
02:31:13,990 --> 02:31:12,479
some of the things we think of as ufos

4044
02:31:15,510 --> 02:31:14,000
are actually natural phenomena that have

4045
02:31:17,590 --> 02:31:15,520
been misidentified

4046
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:17,600
you know so that really kind of takes

4047
02:31:21,349 --> 02:31:19,680
them out of the case but you know that's

4048
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:21,359
that's kind of how i look at the whole

4049
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:23,600
thing time travel

4050
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:27,120
is a very unlikely possibility but it is

4051
02:31:32,790 --> 02:31:30,560
a possibility i've often joked at uh

4052
02:31:33,590 --> 02:31:32,800
some conferences uh where i presented

4053
02:31:35,349 --> 02:31:33,600
that

4054
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:35,359
the answer to the cattle mutilation

4055
02:31:38,309 --> 02:31:36,720
question uh

4056
02:31:39,830 --> 02:31:38,319
you know we can't factor out the

4057
02:31:42,070 --> 02:31:39,840
possibility of

4058
02:31:44,630 --> 02:31:42,080
cattle in the future becoming illegal as

4059
02:31:46,790 --> 02:31:44,640
a protein source and so maybe what we're

4060
02:31:49,349 --> 02:31:46,800
seeing is high-tech chefs coming back

4061
02:31:51,429 --> 02:31:49,359
through time to gather illegal parts

4062
02:31:52,469 --> 02:31:51,439
for million-dollar plate dinners in the

4063
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:52,479
future

4064
02:31:55,670 --> 02:31:54,479
or or if you want if you read stephen

4065
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:55,680
king's book

4066
02:32:01,590 --> 02:31:59,439
19 november 22 1963 they have a portal

4067
02:32:03,030 --> 02:32:01,600
back through time that the guy keeps

4068
02:32:05,429 --> 02:32:03,040
going through and the owner of this

4069
02:32:07,190 --> 02:32:05,439
diner is able to serve

4070
02:32:09,030 --> 02:32:07,200
hamburg is much cheaper because he goes

4071
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:09,040
back into the past and buys the meat at

4072
02:32:13,510 --> 02:32:10,800
really inexpensive prices and brings it

4073
02:32:17,990 --> 02:32:15,750
so there you go your your cattle

4074
02:32:20,790 --> 02:32:18,000
mutilation theory right there by stephen

4075
02:32:24,710 --> 02:32:22,950
and maybe the fact is we all live in a

4076
02:32:26,469 --> 02:32:24,720
gigantic dome

4077
02:32:28,469 --> 02:32:26,479
that's another stephen king story but

4078
02:32:30,950 --> 02:32:28,479
that's only one town in may what's this

4079
02:32:32,469 --> 02:32:30,960
thing that stephen king has here about

4080
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:32,479
these crazy

4081
02:32:36,550 --> 02:32:35,040
towns in maine we've got the dome we've

4082
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:36,560
got haven

4083
02:32:41,349 --> 02:32:39,280
you forgot and uh the dead zone

4084
02:32:43,030 --> 02:32:41,359
okay you see that's the point well he

4085
02:32:45,670 --> 02:32:43,040
lives in maine so he writes what's

4086
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:45,680
familiar yeah he lives in maine doesn't

4087
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:48,640
want to spread his horizons oh well

4088
02:32:53,590 --> 02:32:50,160
the stand part of it takes place in

4089
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:53,600
colorado and las vegas yeah true there

4090
02:32:57,670 --> 02:32:56,000
you go so some of it breaks out in maine

4091
02:32:59,670 --> 02:32:57,680
but because he lived i guess he lived in

4092
02:33:02,230 --> 02:32:59,680
boulder for a while

4093
02:33:04,309 --> 02:33:02,240
so the exception that proves the rule

4094
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:04,319
hey kevin we only have a few moments

4095
02:33:06,710 --> 02:33:05,359
left

4096
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:06,720
probably not time for another question

4097
02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:08,800
for our listeners but

4098
02:33:13,110 --> 02:33:10,399
regardless of what happens with the

4099
02:33:14,469 --> 02:33:13,120
roswell slides on may 5th and by the way

4100
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:14,479
one of our

4101
02:33:19,190 --> 02:33:16,560
forum regulars and a friend of the show

4102
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:19,200
red pill junkie his real name is miguel

4103
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:21,760
as most of you know red pill junkie says

4104
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:23,600
he's going to attend

4105
02:33:28,870 --> 02:33:26,800
the roswell slides event with a relative

4106
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:28,880
and promises to report back here on the

4107
02:33:34,309 --> 02:33:31,920
show so we'll set that aside where do

4108
02:33:35,510 --> 02:33:34,319
you go from here to put together more

4109
02:33:38,389 --> 02:33:35,520
research

4110
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:38,399
to advance a state of study of this

4111
02:33:43,270 --> 02:33:40,560
field well because you because you said

4112
02:33:45,590 --> 02:33:43,280
study and that was the idea you know

4113
02:33:47,349 --> 02:33:45,600
i've got a a book in the back of my mind

4114
02:33:49,030 --> 02:33:47,359
called chasing footnotes

4115
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:49,040
and you look at

4116
02:33:53,270 --> 02:33:51,760
a ufo case and you chase the football

4117
02:33:54,630 --> 02:33:53,280
notes back to the original source and

4118
02:33:56,950 --> 02:33:54,640
see what they say because a lot of times

4119
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:56,960
i found i found information that either

4120
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,960
solves the case or

4121
02:34:03,190 --> 02:34:00,720
continues to make it inexplicable but

4122
02:34:05,429 --> 02:34:03,200
but clears up some of the incongruities

4123
02:34:07,590 --> 02:34:05,439
of those cases so there's there's things

4124
02:34:09,510 --> 02:34:07,600
like that going on and

4125
02:34:11,429 --> 02:34:09,520
some of the old ufo books would carry

4126
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:11,439
the story about this metal vessel blown

4127
02:34:17,270 --> 02:34:14,319
out of solid rock in massachusetts and

4128
02:34:19,590 --> 02:34:17,280
it was in the 1850s scientific american

4129
02:34:21,510 --> 02:34:19,600
as its inexplicable thing

4130
02:34:24,469 --> 02:34:21,520
and so i actually went and looked at the

4131
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:24,479
1852 scientific american and discovered

4132
02:34:27,590 --> 02:34:25,680
that the case is actually much more

4133
02:34:29,910 --> 02:34:27,600
interesting than this metal vessel

4134
02:34:31,590 --> 02:34:29,920
there's other stuff going on there so

4135
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:31,600
leads into other interesting things but

4136
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:34,080
that's one of the things to do is

4137
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:36,960
try to get the nonsense out of the field

4138
02:34:41,429 --> 02:34:38,960
explain the stuff that can be explained

4139
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:41,439
and underscore the stuff that is really

4140
02:34:46,469 --> 02:34:44,720
really confusing and inexplicable and

4141
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:46,479
look at that and say here's here is the

4142
02:34:50,389 --> 02:34:48,960
best information about this case that we

4143
02:34:52,950 --> 02:34:50,399
have today

4144
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:52,960
well we hope something about it

4145
02:34:55,670 --> 02:34:54,160
bears fruit

4146
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:55,680
because right now

4147
02:34:59,830 --> 02:34:57,840
i don't know i think chris and i have

4148
02:35:01,030 --> 02:34:59,840
been so down on the field lately because

4149
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:01,040
of all these

4150
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:03,760
crazy claims and crazy arguments and all

4151
02:35:08,309 --> 02:35:06,160
these flames and we see that as you know

4152
02:35:10,150 --> 02:35:08,319
in your blog a different perspective

4153
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:10,160
you'll write an article and there will

4154
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:12,560
be pro and con opinions and sometimes

4155
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:14,640
the con opinions get to be a little

4156
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:17,040
eccentric to the borderline you know

4157
02:35:19,349 --> 02:35:17,920
what i mean

4158
02:35:21,910 --> 02:35:19,359
sometimes the pro opinions get a little

4159
02:35:23,750 --> 02:35:21,920
bit nasty too of course as soon as i see

4160
02:35:24,950 --> 02:35:23,760
those i delete them you know you start

4161
02:35:26,150 --> 02:35:24,960
calling people names and things like

4162
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:26,160
that i'm going to delete the post i

4163
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:27,439
don't need we don't need that if you

4164
02:35:30,550 --> 02:35:28,720
want to discuss it rationally if you

4165
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:30,560
want to say well this case is all

4166
02:35:34,309 --> 02:35:32,479
poppycock and here's why i think that

4167
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:34,319
hey i'm on board with it if you want to

4168
02:35:40,309 --> 02:35:36,479
say the guy who reports this is an idiot

4169
02:35:41,750 --> 02:35:40,319
and a liar no uh that gets deleted so i

4170
02:35:44,070 --> 02:35:41,760
i know what you mean

4171
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:44,080
i guess it'd be pretty crazy will we

4172
02:35:48,389 --> 02:35:45,760
come to an answer

4173
02:35:50,070 --> 02:35:48,399
to all this in your lifetime in my

4174
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:50,080
lifetime kevin there's a couple of old

4175
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:51,439
codgers

4176
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:52,960
i believe i've already answered some of

4177
02:35:57,590 --> 02:35:55,040
the questions in fact right here on the

4178
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:57,600
pericast

4179
02:36:00,710 --> 02:35:59,520
we will have more information after may

4180
02:36:02,550 --> 02:36:00,720
5th

4181
02:36:03,990 --> 02:36:02,560
about the slides we will we will know

4182
02:36:06,070 --> 02:36:04,000
exactly

4183
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:06,080
what they have and how they came to the

4184
02:36:11,110 --> 02:36:08,479
conclusions they came to we will know

4185
02:36:12,710 --> 02:36:11,120
more of them and it may it may explain a

4186
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:12,720
lot of stuff to us

4187
02:36:16,150 --> 02:36:14,640
it may just confuse the issue even more

4188
02:36:17,510 --> 02:36:16,160
and become it would become more

4189
02:36:19,190 --> 02:36:17,520
mysterious we'll just have to wait for

4190
02:36:21,590 --> 02:36:19,200
may the fifth to see what happens

4191
02:36:22,630 --> 02:36:21,600
unfortunately we can't all go to mexico

4192
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:22,640
city

4193
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:24,960
to find out but we'll keep looking for

4194
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:26,720
it kevin randle please tell our

4195
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:28,880
listeners where they can find more of

4196
02:36:32,990 --> 02:36:31,040
the stuff that you do they can look at

4197
02:36:34,870 --> 02:36:33,000
my blog it's

4198
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:34,880
kevinrandall.blogspot.com a different

4199
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:37,600
perspective you type in roswell slides

4200
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:40,319
now and a number of my columns for the

4201
02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:42,080
for the blog will come up so that you

4202
02:36:46,150 --> 02:36:44,080
can you can read those go to the

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bookstore buy books amazon's got a lot

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of the books the latest the last one

4205
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that has come out is the government ufo

4206
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files

4207
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there's some science fiction stories

4208
02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:55,920
there there's a nice there's a nice

4209
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:58,479
horror novel called vampire that you can

4210
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you can look at there's some inexpensive

4211
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science fiction there's some ufo stuff

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there

4213
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and the new book will be out in october

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for joining us again on the power cast i

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